Clubshaft orbit through the impact zone

[Jeff]

YodasLuke

I think that the difference between the clubshaft line and the imaginary straight line between PP#3 and the sweetspot is comparatively very small, and I am happy to reword my question to fit your requirement "that the sweetspot plane should be constant through the impact zone". The only point that I am attempting to make is that a golfer should continuously trace a SPL through the impact zone - and that includes the post-impact period - and that the resultant hand arc shape will depend on the angle of the inclined plane.

Jeff.

[Toolish]

The hand arc will also depend on release type, no?

[Jeff]

Toolish

It is not clear to me why you would think that the hand arc path near impact and post-impact would depend on release type.

My main interest, in posing this question, is whether the hand arc post-impact is relatively "fixed" for a good golfer who stays on-plane - because his hands have to move along an overall arc that depends on the angle of his selected inclined plane through the impact zone and the "fact" that he needs to continuously trace a SPL while his hands move through the impact zone.

Jeff.

[YodasLuke]

YodasLuke

I think that the difference between the clubshaft line and the imaginary straight line between PP#3 and the sweetspot is comparatively very small, and I am happy to reword my question to fit your requirement "that the sweetspot plane should be constant through the impact zone".

I know the difference seems small, but the difference between a shank and perfection could be millimeters. So, I appreciate the rewording. I'm sure you understand that small differences can lead to a future reader's misunderstanding, when using words like "always".

The only point that I am attempting to make is that a golfer should continuously trace a SPL through the impact zone...
Jeff.

I agree.

[Jeff]

Yodas Luke

I agree with you - being exact is important. I appreciate your "corrective" comments. That's what's so nice about LBG-website's different forums - many forum members think deeply about the golf swing in an attempt to understand it "correctly" and understanding it "correctly" requires paying strict attention to all the complex details.

It would have been much better if I used the word "hand" instead of "clubshaft" in my title, because I was really interesting in addressing the issue of movement of the hands post-impact.

Jeff.

[golfguru]

ISG readers just got sick of the "he said you said" where it was not appropriate to the majority of those reading in that forum. So Jeff was asked nicely to take his ball elsewhere. He did not, so now he is indeed barred. Sadly the cheers were loud.

[pistol]

ISG readers just got sick of the "he said you said" where it was not appropriate to the majority of those reading in that forum. So Jeff was asked nicely to take his ball elsewhere. He did not, so now he is indeed barred. Sadly the cheers were loud.

The cheers were only from the sheep following the drivel written by the cowboy with zero 2nd tilt claiming he got Hogan's move...Seriously Jeff stuff is worth the read

[chbkk]

Jeff, keep on going.....
There are clubshaft, center of mass for the club-COM and sweetspot. Under centrifugal acceleration, from what I gather so far, I think the grip-end of the clubshaft points to the COM and the line linking them lies in a plane. Shouldn't this be the optimal condition ... least swing effort? I also believe now that at impact, the sweetspot on the clubhead lies in front of the COM. Is it on the same orbit as the COM? Should it be in the same orbit in a well-designed golf club?

[YodasLuke]

from what I gather so far, I think the grip-end of the clubshaft points to the COM and the line linking them lies in a plane. Shouldn't this be the optimal condition ... least swing effort?

I added the red, but to be more specific, I would say "the CG runs through the #3 Pressure Point."

[Jeff]

chbkk

It is my understanding that Homer's on-plane concept is a general concept designed to keep the clubshaft on-plane throughout the entire swing and not specifically targeted to keeping the clubshaft (or sweetspot) on-plane in the immmediate vicinity of the impact zone. I think that if a golfer gets his clubshaft on-plane throughout his entire swing, then he has developed an idealised clubhead arc that will in-to-square-to-in and that will enable him to square the clubface at impact.

Here is my idea of an idealised clubshaft on-plane swing - Anthony Kim's swing.

The issue of the clubhead swivelling into impact is a separate issue. I actually think that it happens automatically. Have you watched an Iron Byron machine in action? It has a universal joint that is totally passive. The clubhead swivels automatically to allow the clubface to become square at impact. There is no device in that macahine that actively causes the clubface to become square at impact.

I think that many golfers (swingers) shank the ball because they have stiff wrists which prevents the automatic release swivel action from happening naturally.

Jeff.