Opening driver

[ssgolf37]

You bet, Daryti.

O.B you are correct. the initial start line of the ball is where the face is pointing and the curve of ball is dictated by the path. For example is you came into impact with a face 5 deg open to the target and the path was also 5 degrees IN TO OUT. it would be a straight push. if you have the same face angle of 5 deg. and swung out at the ball 6 deg OR MORE the ball would start right and then draw back.

[Yoda]

O.B you are correct. the initial start line of the ball is where the face is pointing and the curve of ball is dictated by the path.

Indeed he is.



Straight shots occur when the Clubface is aligned at right angles to the Clubhead Path at Separation (of Ball and Clubface). If the Clubhead Path Traces a Square Plane Line (10-5-A), the result is a straight shot In Line toward the Target. Alternatively, if the Clubhead Path Traces an Open Plane Line (10-5-D), the result is a Pull. Or if a Closed Plane Line (10-5-E), a Push.

My prescription to (1) Close the Plane Line and (2) aim the Clubface toward the Target was an Anti-Steering Therapy (3-F-7-A). Here, my sole objective is for the Clubface to look left of the Closed Clubhead Path at Impact. Otherwise, I get only a Push. More likely, the student executes the same clockwise Hand Rotation (Steering) through Impact he always does, and I see a Push-Slice.

With the student aligned right of Target, I can produce the necessary Clubface alignment by rotating the Clubface Closed (on the tee, "toward the Target" works) within the normal Grip, or I can rotate the Grip itself (to the right around the Clubshaft with the Clubface normally aligned / 7-2). Either way, the Clubface alignment/Clubhead Path must diverge. Otherwise, there will be no curve, and hence, no draw.

Please forgive my prior 'teacher's license' and short-cut simplicity. I should know better with the incisive minds on this site!

[O.B.Left]

Yoda, its you that got us all thinking along these lines, absolutely no apologies necessary.

I dont want to take this thread sideways but TGM theory regarding shot shape seems so true but so contrary to popular golf theory. Its amazing to me that some of golfs greats could write or maintain otherwise. Perhaps they had unacknowledged compensations? Maybe Jack didnt tell us about us his angled hinging for instance?

Whats up with this? Id love somebody to start a LBG shot making forum.

ob

[12 piece bucket]

It's AMAZING that some teachers are still teaching that the starting direction is controlled by the path. Mr. Kelley was soooooo ahead of the curve with regards to the face being the boss with regards to direction . . . and he didn't have no $25,000 machine . .. or even a video camera to get it done.

[Yoda]

It's AMAZING that some teachers are still teaching that the starting direction is controlled by the path. Mr. Kelley was soooooo ahead of the curve with regards to the face being the boss with regards to direction . . . and he didn't have no $25,000 machine . .. or even a video camera to get it done.

Twenty-five years ago, the teaching standard was that Clubhead Path dictated Ball Direction. In my hotel seminars, I took this conventional wisdom to task:

I would take a putter and have everybody gather 'round a putting layout with approximately five feet to the hole. Then, I would execute a radically Inside-Out Stroke with the Clubhead (but with the Clubface aligned to the Target), and the Ball would go dead-straight into the hole.

So much for the 'pooh-bahs' of the day (many of whom are around today, but they sing a different tune).

[12 piece bucket]

Twenty-five years ago, the teaching standard was that Clubhead Path dictated Ball Direction. In my hotel seminars, I took this conventional wisdom to task:

I would take a putter and have everybody gather 'round a putting layout with approximately five feet to the hole. Then, I would execute a radically Inside-Out Stroke with the Clubhead (but with the Clubface aligned to the Target), and the Ball would go dead-straight into the hole.

So much for the 'pooh-bahs' of the day (many of whom are around today, but they sing a different tune).

It's amazing what goes on in hotel rooms . . . . where's Mike O when you need him . . . .

[dkerby]

A question: Do you feel that Bobby Locke used the inside out
putter stroke that you mentioned? Locke came from way inside but said that he always kept the clubface square to the target.
Donn

[12 piece bucket]

A question: Do you feel that Bobby Locke used the inside out
putter stroke that you mentioned? Locke came from way inside but said that he always kept the clubface square to the target.
Donn

PUTTING IS PRETTY MUCH 100% ABOUT FACE . . .

[O.B.Left]

So you have a seven iron in your hands and you want a 5 yard cut to a hole cut right. How do you do it? How should we set up our machine?

-Aim the whole machine, clubface and all 5 yards left of the hole.
-Turn the machine, the plane line but not the clubface to left to a degree that is perhaps acquired through trial and error? Increased club face loft decreasing the effects of side spin on the balls curve etc.

Or use a different pre shot routine that results in much the same alignments (except for maybe a ball position consideration):

-aim the whole machine, plane line, clubface etc the same amount to the left of the hole as above. (5 yards plus whatever)
-then spin the grip in your hands to open the clubface to a point 5 yards left of the hole.

I tend to towards the latter method as simply opening my body has little practical effect on my club head path, plane line. Perhaps its just me. Not sure if this is TGM correct or not.

Do you swing as per usual? Or employ angled hinging? This is where things get foggy for me. Wouldnt hinging have an effect? Or is this unnecessary?

Is there a difference for the hitter vs the swinger, hinging aside?


Regards
ob