Stricker Down the Line

[gmbtempe]

Well now I don't feel so bad about being under plane with shoulders closed with not much of a divot.

[innercityteacher]

Well now I don't feel so bad about being under plane with shoulders closed with not much of a divot.

Is SS an Elbow Plane guy? Is the Plane determined by the # 3 PP location as it travels? Would that then make hip an almost TSP ?


ICT

[gmbtempe]

Is SS an Elbow Plane guy?


ICT

sure looks that way to me

[innercityteacher]

sure looks that way to me

Are you measuring the travel of his # 3 PP?


ICT

[gmbtempe]

Is SS an Elbow Plane guy? Is the Plane determined by the # 3 PP location as it travels? Would that then make hip an almost TSP ?


ICT

Are you measuring the travel of his # 3 PP?


ICT

I just look at impact. Nicklaus came down the TSP but at the very end made a shift to an elbow plane impact.

[Yoda]

I just look at impact. Nicklaus came down the TSP but at the very end made a shift to an elbow plane impact.

But remember, guys, the Elbow Plane is not an absolute. Some Angles are steeper than others, especially through Impact (versus Address).

These steeper-than-normal Elbow Planes can approach the TSP Angle and, in fact, remain on it. In which case, there has been Zero Shift from the Top. One example is Brian Gay.

[O.B.Left]

But remember, guys, the Elbow Plane is not an absolute. Some Angles are steeper than others, especially through Impact (versus Address).

These steeper-than-normal Elbow Planes can approach the TSP Angle and, in fact, remain on it. In which case, there has been Zero Shift from the Top. One example is Brian Gay.

Thanks for this Yoda Ive been wondering about that one. The later editions definition of Elbow Plane got me mixed up.

How bout the TSP is it a range of angles too?

Would I be correct in thinking that though a Rotated Shoulder turn "can locate a TSP angle" its unlikely to be able to locate a TSP angle that is also an Elbow Plane angle? Is this one of the reasons for your preference for "Flat back", Standard Shoulder Turn?

I know this is slightly off topic but ..........since we're talking all around this lingering question of mine.

[BerntR]

But remember, guys, the Elbow Plane is not an absolute. Some Angles are steeper than others, especially through Impact (versus Address).

Also I think, in the case of the Golden Bear, he did favour a fade. With the most vicious release he could produce as a kid. He is swinging left but the clubhead is thrown out right. That will look like a planeshift at impact.

Maybe it is but maybe it isn't. Same thing with Hogan basically, although everything was flatter with Hogan.

Does the ball REALLY just get in the way or does ball location make a difference to timing etc.... ? In any case, that's the only factor I can think of that can "justify" a late planeshift. The more speed the club picks up the harder it will become to shift plane downwards. Because of CF. But you can let it happen upwards. By just letting the clubhead drive the hands out and up. That would be the opposite of what Homer K. recommended I think, when he told us to swing the hands and not the club.

Anyways; If you (within reason) are swinging or hitting as hard as you can - can you do a late planeshift downwards? I don't think so. If the hands are low through impact there's something else going on IMO. And it probably was initiated in the transition as all good things in a full motion.