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Old 11-08-2011, 12:59 PM
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If your left arm is tight to the chest then the Hands can not accelerate any faster than that amount which the rotating pivot will provide. If however the left arm separates from the chest , accelerates away from the pivot .....then more hand speed is possible. Be it from CF Throwout or Right Arm Drive OUt.
You state this as if it is "given"...can you support the above?

Does this apply to "lower planes"? Does this apply to angle of approach procedure only?

Why is more handspeed possible due to the separation? Given the main speed comes from the powerpackage....does the pivot supply speed or "positioning"?
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Old 11-09-2011, 11:29 PM
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You state this as if it is "given"...can you support the above?

Does this apply to "lower planes"? Does this apply to angle of approach procedure only?

Why is more handspeed possible due to the separation? Given the main speed comes from the powerpackage....does the pivot supply speed or "positioning"?
Ok Ill bite.

1. Not with data, no. But logically I'd suggest that if it were more powerful to not let the left arm accelerate away from the turning body then we'd see it in other sports. A tennis backhand , a frisbee toss etc etc. I cant think of a throwing like motion where the arm stays tied to the body.

2. Yes. But from low elbow planes , especially with Angled Hinging given its associated reduced clubhead travel (Hogan) the left arm will feel more connected to the body through the shot. Which indeed it is. Some folks describe this pattern in other ways ....swinging left etc with hankies under the arms etc. You will lose some power this way if not via the lack of left arm blast off , then by the reduced clubhead travel of Angled (and the slip on the point of contact between ball and face of Angled unless compensated for at address).

3. Angle or Arc

4. Hand speed is increased as the Left Arm Accelerates away, gets thrown out from the Turning Pivot. If there is no blast off the Hand Speed is a product of the Turning Pivot Center only. Proportionate to the length of the radius from center to hand. You could also argue that the radius is longer when the Left Arm separates. Think about Downswing when the Left ARm is parallel to ground say..... The radius from left hand to center, given no separation (which is ideal at this point ) the center would be the pivot center. Or about where the left elbow is if the left arm lies across the chest. Upon blast off the center of the radius moves to the left shoulder...which is a longer lever. No? Out on a limb here I know.

5. Zone 2 Power. But Zone 1 is Zone 1 for a reason though.

Buck I know where you're coming from ...... I feel plugged in too, sometimes. When Angled Hinging on an Elbow Plane. I can hit it almost as long that way. Almost . Its a great pattern for sure. Especially for good players who dont want to ever hook it again. You know that footage of Hogan where he's tilting back and hammering a high long drive in the Power Golf shot making demonstration shot at Augusta ? Looks like he's throwing his arms off and fast to me. Like a long drive guy.

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Ok Ill bite.

1. Not with data, no. But logically I'd suggest that if it were more powerful to not let the left arm accelerate away from the turning body then we'd see it in other sports. A tennis backhand , a frisbee toss etc etc. I cant think of a throwing like motion where the arm stays tied to the body.

2. Yes. But from low elbow planes , especially with Angled Hinging given its associated reduced clubhead travel (Hogan) the left arm will feel more connected to the body through the shot. Which indeed it is. Some folks describe this pattern in other ways ....swinging left etc with hankies under the arms etc. You will lose some power this way if not via the lack of left arm blast off , then by the reduced clubhead travel of Angled (and the slip on the point of contact between ball and face of Angled unless compensated for at address).

3. Angle or Arc

4. Hand speed is increased as the Left Arm Accelerates away, gets thrown out from the Turning Pivot. If there is no blast off the Hand Speed is a product of the Turning Pivot Center only. Proportionate to the length of the radius from center to hand. You could also argue that the radius is longer when the Left Arm separates. Think about Downswing when the Left ARm is parallel to ground say..... The radius from left hand to center, given no separation (which is ideal at this point ) the center would be the pivot center. Or about where the left elbow is if the left arm lies across the chest. Upon blast off the center of the radius moves to the left shoulder...which is a longer lever. No? Out on a limb here I know.

5. Zone 2 Power. But Zone 1 is Zone 1 for a reason though.

Buck I know where you're coming from ...... I feel plugged in too, sometimes. When Angled Hinging on an Elbow Plane. I can hit it almost as long that way. Almost . Its a great pattern for sure. Especially for good players who dont want to ever hook it again. You know that footage of Hogan where he's tilting back and hammering a high long drive in the Power Golf shot making demonstration shot at Augusta ? Looks like he's throwing his arms off and fast to me. Like a long drive guy.
NOt sure about the throwing analogy....in them sports you are only using one arm to propel....so maybe the right arm coming off...not sure about the left....also...if the left arm comes off...possible plane implications...possible overriding the pulley wheel....possible clubface flashing implications...not saying it's wrong....but not saying that it it is in anyway mechanically superior....left arm is blasted down plane....not nessarily up and off the body...to me it seems that is more in line with a karate chop sequenced release...simultaneous not sure...but this is certainly off the reservation....I think there is such a thing as "elegant" hitting vs. full blown fist to the mid section mouth breathing druuuling hitting....
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NOt sure about the throwing analogy....in them sports you are only using one arm to propel....so maybe the right arm coming off...not sure about the left....also...if the left arm comes off...possible plane implications...possible overriding the pulley wheel....possible clubface flashing implications...not saying it's wrong....but not saying that it it is in anyway mechanically superior....left arm is blasted down plane....not nessarily up and off the body...to me it seems that is more in line with a karate chop sequenced release...simultaneous not sure...but this is certainly off the reservation....I think there is such a thing as "elegant" hitting vs. full blown fist to the mid section mouth breathing druuuling hitting....
How bout a two handed tennis back hand? Hammer throw? Hockey backhand shot. Blast off , no.

Yah, Im all for elegant Hitting being real, too. Take Lynns version of Hitting for instance.

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