Originally Posted by brianid
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Thanks OB. Any advice on how to Release/Roll #3 after starting to Release #2? Or should you be only thinking #2?
How you think Hogan did it with a Bent L wrist on Top? From Top, Drag Load, then just #2 down on plane/baseline with #3 being released "Automatically"?
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At home today , sick, bored . Sorry for the long response .
From Top the intention is to (later in Release) uncock #2 with the left hand turned to plane. Then Roll #3. Be this Auto or Non Auto. Start with Non Auto first then once mastered Auto will appear out of nowhere.
Re Hogan. IMO If the Left Hand lays flat to plane at Top and the left arm in not on plane (and it isn't given any #3 angle to the left hand grip) then ..... there will be some cup to the left hand at Top. More cup for flatter plane angles. The "Flat Left Wrist " is geometrically flat not literally flat to my mind. Did Hogan "double cock".. maybe a touch.
Hogan opened the face wide open , toe down at Top . He was what we used to call an "open to closed" guy.... but with an occasional Angled Hinge . Another anti hook manipulation. An Angled Hinge Swinger , with the reduced club head travel and slight power loss associated with Angled Hinging assuming the same Hand speed. For distance off the tee he could hit draws , Horizontal Hinge it . Fer sure.
Homer considered Hogans Drag Loading to be in his words "the ideal". Drag Loading is I would venture , Hogan inspired. Ground up. Swinging from the feet. So yes he Dragged it .... Dragged the Hands, the butt end down plane towards the base line with the Left and Right Hands turned Flat to Plane . I suspect his Release was full auto Snap. Some have ventured that it was non Auto ... maybe , we'll never know for sure. I know it was a Sequenced Release .. . you can see it.
How should one learn this? Homer suggested we start with a Non Auto in this instance a (Left) Wrist Throw with the Left Hand turned to Plane and then Roll it over at the bottom. Left unblocked its momentum will want to Roll . Then gradually learn to Delay it until the point that it becomes Automatic... entirely produced by CF throwout. Flip Release can get in the way of this graduated approach . For me my goat humping blocked the travel of my right elbow and induced Release ... I subconsciously released to straighten the right elbow so the hands could pass the hips. A zone 1 malady. Fix Zone 1 problems before you move onto Zone 2 problems!! Any attempt to do otherwise will be compromised .
Learning to accelerate Longitudinally really helps. Doing little Acquired Motion drills where you pull the club longitudinally. Stopping at Top also helps on full swings. Going all the way back to End requires a Top Arc before you can get to a place from which to Drag down towards the plane line. Doing some drills where you Float Load can help too. If you're in the process of cocking you can't be in the process of uncocking.
Its all about getting your fully cocked left wrist down plane a little later for most guys, guys who release from Top . The Dragging is a way of Delivering the fully loaded power package down plane to its Release Point. Also a Dragging of the club longitudinally , straight line does not induce CF Throwout theoretically (assuming a straight line) . Once the club head moves outside the orbit of the hands it will go, Throw Out . Think about the ski boat and the water skier. They travel in line at the same speed , then the boat takes a corner and the skier gets thrown out. Thats the pulley wheel he is encountering. The sharper the corner the more he gets thrown out. As a golfer we sharpen the corner , shrink the pulley wheel by delaying release to a later point along the straight line delivery path of the hands from Top. Can the hands actually travel a straight line ? Er no ... not for long , but some delivery paths of the Hands are straighter than others . Profoundly straighter and the physics above is real . Longitudinal then Radial . Stopping at Top as Hogans hands did, as Lynns do will help with the straight line path of the hands and remove all of the problems with the Top Arc.... bounce out , throw out, run off what ever you want to call it. If it goes up there, throws out , its hard to recover it ... like a runaway train.
For you , given your love for Roll the only thing Im wondering is if you are adding some Right Arm in Release. Thats OK . So do I often . If so then you will have to dial that down when learning to Drag. The Active Right Elbow extension , Right Arm Throw needs to be Delayed too. Think of the right arm release as pushing the Left Hand or Right Hand off of its turned to plane condition. It pushes the club head outside the hands immediately. Thereby inducing CF throwout too , even though you are muscling things out . You gotta sneak it down there and then let er rip. Drive loading or Drag . Talking Hitting here for a moment.
Forgive me if your not using your right arm .... just wondering given your lack of feel for the #2 and maybe the left arm. No worries though , Homers Swinging is very much a Right sided deal to my mind. The left arm is inert , string like . Left hand is club face control , only. The left arm does no pulling on full shots it is pulled by the pivot. The left hand is cocked and uncocked by the Right Side , Right Elbow given Extensor Action . So its not a necessarily a left sided swing in ones mind or intentions. It can be a right sided deal . RFT is right sided, EA is right sided , the Right Shoulder is part of the power package and can be a Release Trigger etc etc . Tons of right sided things. Homer is quoted as saying "the left arm is not so wonderful" .
uh ... I could get some heat over this post, but this is where Im at anyways. The learning curve for Drag Loading being: Drag Longitudinally then Non auto left Wrist Throw . Then Drag then Auto Wrist Throw . Then wait for it... Drag then Non Auto Right Arm throw. Non auto right arm throw Snap anyone? Then IMO you can do what Lynn and Ted can do.
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One word of caution . When practicing your (left) wrist throw. Actively releasing the #2 down plane towards the plane line with the left hand turned to plane.
Do not hold off the Roll at the bottom ..... you can hurt your left wrist very easily! It simply can't take all that force and stop its momentum . Surprisingly low amounts of effort ruin the whole deal. Try it slowly at first uncock and then roll . Just like the swingers flail .. maybe make one out of wood to see how things should work. The roll ensures the left wrist stays flat for instance. Not rolling , Steering breaks the flat left wrist. The flat left wrist , the bent left wrist they're both indicators , products of what is going on.
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