The Finish Swivel

[annikan skywalker]

Lynn...I do believe at the Pine Needles Workshop you showed us at the Finish Swivel that the left wrist is slightly bent and the right wrist flattens slightly as the hands rotate/swivel to the parallel to the plane for the Finish...Has your position changed? Or is it due to a different grip type?.....Or did Ben influence your change of opinion?...I could be wrong..but you know I tend to listen very carefully..

I would asssume the Finish Swivel varies coming out of the different Hinge Actions and Plane Angle Variations!!!!!


The flatter the plane angle variation the more roll...the more upright the less!!!

Thanks for demonstrating and showing Ben's "Perverted Finish Swivel" as compared to the Yoda Finish Swivel....

Yours is more by the book!!!

[birdie_man]

Perhaps....

But I think the real argument here is "what (often/ALSO) works" vs. "by the book".

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That seems to be a common theme with a lot of these debates....

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My thinking is that if something works then what can you say really.....honestly, who cares.

....and maybe it doesn't work for everyone....but if it works better for SOMEBODY, then what can you say really?

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One thing that I always think of is Homer saying: "You don't HAVE TO do anything!" in his audio tape with Lynn.

Is this one of those things?

[annikan skywalker]

just asking a question based on what was shown at the Needles!!!

[birdie_man]

Ahahah.....those damn smilies!!



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Aahah monkey.

[Yoda]

Lynn...I do believe at the Pine Needles Workshop you showed us at the Finish Swivel that the left wrist is slightly bent and the right wrist flattens slightly as the hands rotate/swivel to the parallel to the plane for the Finish...Has your position changed?

The Right Wrist does indeed Flatten during the Finish Swivel as the Right Palm rotates palm-down to the Plane. And most players -- even TOUR players -- tend to Flatten it even sooner (during, not after, the Hinge Action). Accordingly, the Left Wrist for most players -- even TOUR players -- tends to Bend. To the extent these folk play well -- and many do -- it is because they have become expert 'throwers' of the Golf Club.

But ideally, the Left Wrist remains Flat as it only Swivels and then Re-Cocks. When viewed from Down-the-Line, this Re-Cocking of the Flat Left Wrist in its vertical Plane of Motion -- the Left Arm Flying Wedge -- appears somewhat 'cupped' or Bent. [See my recent post on the appearance of the Cocked Left Wrist at the Top.]

But it is not.

It is only Cocked -- as when using a hammer -- in its own vertical plane of motion.

[Yoda]

And secondly, I questioned Lynn about the end of follow through being when the club is 45 degrees to the ground. He said 2-G (I, and many other authorized TGMers, say that is a drill for the student to see the different hinges). I say HOMER says 8-11.

Homer Kelley felt his book could be used as a reference for all questions regarding Golf Stroke Mechanics. The answers, he said, were there, either stated explicitly or implied.

In the book, he advised Golfers to "Take all Strokes to the Both Arms Straight Position." (6-H-0-C).

The "...end of a short Chip Shot" (2-G) is then, by definition, to the end of the Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight per your own reference, 8-11).



Again, you argue Position Golf and semantics.

I argue Alignment Golf with its Hinge Action Rhythm and On Plane Finish Swivel (2-G and 7-10).

Scroll down and look at the Clubface for goodness sake.

[Tom Bartlett]

Homer Kelley felt his book could be used as a reference for all questions regarding Golf Stroke Mechanics. The answers, he said, were there, either stated explicitly or implied.

In the book, he advised Golfers to "Take all Strokes to the Both Arms Straight Position." (6-H-0-C).

O.K. Both arms straight agreed or there equivalent right? Ed Furgol, Calvin Peete, Ben Doyle, Lynn Blake.

The "...end of a short Chip Shot" (2-G) is then, by definition, to the end of the Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight per your own reference, 8-11).

You left some out. 2-G Stop at the end of a short chip shot-the club at about 45 degrees. H Hinging yada yada yada toe along P line. Angled 45 degs. Vert 90 degs. Yada yada yada about over and under roll. Practice these alignments...

8-11 Follow Through Section 11-this section covers the interval between separation and the both arms straight position AS DETERMINED BY THE SHOULDER POSITION AT IMPACT. (my bold)

That 2-G reference sounds like a way for the student to see the different hinge actions.
8-11 makes it clear that 45 degrees is NOT a mandatory.

Also, if a player never straightens his or her left arm, then when the right straitens for those folk would then be considered the end of the follow through?





Again, you argue Position Golf and semantics.

I argue Alignment Golf with its Hinge Action Rhythm and On Plane Finish Swivel (2-G and 7-10).

Look at the Clubface for goodness sake.

My point again is you are calling this 'later than follow through' position, follow through. And that his hinge action was faulty. If you watch the video, one frame earlier is his follow through and he has horizontal hinged with the toe of the club pointing along the plane line.

And again, really not starting any kind of war just saw something that was incorrect. Everyone knows you know the book. You just didn't get the opportunity to see the video of the swing I guess.

[annikan skywalker]

The Right Wrist does indeed Flatten during the Finish Swivel as the Right Palm rotates palm-down to the Plane. And most players -- even TOUR players -- tend to Flatten it even sooner (during, not after, the Hinge Action). Accordingly, the Left Wrist for most players -- even TOUR players -- tends to Bend. To the extent these folk play well -- and many do -- it is because they have become expert 'throwers' of the Golf Club.

But ideally, the Left Wrist remains Flat as it only Swivels and then Re-Cocks. When viewed from Down-the-Line, this Re-Cocking of the Flat Left Wrist in its vertical Plane of Motion -- the Left Arm Flying Wedge -- appears somewhat 'cupped' or Bent. [See my recent post on the appearance of the Cocked Left Wrist at the Top.]

But it is not.

It is only Cocked -- as when using a hammer -- in its own vertical plane of motion.

El Capitain!!!...Gracious.....

[Yoda]

My point again is you are calling this 'later than follow through' position, follow through. And that his hinge action was faulty. If you watch the video, one frame earlier is his follow through and he has horizontal hinged with the toe of the club pointing along the plane line.

And again, really not starting any kind of war just saw something that was incorrect.

Thank you, Tom, for your contribution.

[Vandal]

I really don't get all this reliance on "science" and Newton's laws, especially when Einstein came along quite a few years ago and blew some of that stuff out of the water. And then the quantum guys came along and scared the bejesus out of him. Homer and G.O.L.F were not, are not, will not be the last word. It will be challenged, and it will be found faulty and something better will emerge. It's how science works. This basic geometric model also fails to incorporate the fourth dimension into calculations.