The Finish Swivel

[Mathew]

I really don't get all this reliance on "science" and Newton's laws, especially when Einstein came along quite a few years ago and blew some of that stuff out of the water. And then the quantum guys came along and scared the bejesus out of him. Homer and G.O.L.F were not, are not, will not be the last word. It will be challenged, and it will be found faulty and something better will emerge. It's how science works. This basic geometric model also fails to incorporate the fourth dimension into calculations.

Its a machine, come on...lol. Homer Kelley was an engineer and the whole book is about engineering and how the body reproduces it. No string theory and atoms needed to understand it. Man was building complex machines before even the days of newton. When your impact interval is executed as a swivel you can't really have control of the clubface or at least as much as you could have - its sheer common sense - its a major simplification.

[Daryl]

I really don't get all this reliance on "science" and Newton's laws, especially when Einstein came along quite a few years ago and blew some of that stuff out of the water. And then the quantum guys came along and scared the bejesus out of him. Homer and G.O.L.F were not, are not, will not be the last word. It will be challenged, and it will be found faulty and something better will emerge. It's how science works. This basic geometric model also fails to incorporate the fourth dimension into calculations.

Vandal, spoken like a true skeptic. I called Brian Greene, one of our leading "String" theorists, and asked him about my #4 pressure point, and he said to read "The Golfing Machine" by Homer Kelly. (go fiqure).

Mathew, you have so much wisdom for someone so young.

[Michael Finney]

Mathew, maybe you should watch Ben hit balls in person...then maybe you can comment upon his clubface control.......

[Mathew]

Mathew, maybe you should watch Ben hit balls in person...then maybe you can comment upon his clubface control.......

There have been great players throughout history doing things that aren't correct and just because they were great doesn't mean its right. Just because one does well using inferior alignments doesn't mean it is the simpliest way. That is why I love the golfing machine. I know he hits the ball well but it doesn't change that fact.

We're talking about the advancement of a sport, to keep on inspiring, to improve and to make the next generation play better. Do you not see what Homers vision was about and why he spent 40+ years working out the simpliest way to do things. I couldn't care less what Ben does, Tiger Woods does or any tour player for that matter - its about the simplicity of a machine and it is that which is going to advance the next generation of golfers.

[Vandal]

Skeptics never let dogma dictate knowledge and learning, and skeptics always question those who claim that they have THE truth. Skeptics challenge, prod, poke, inquire and strive. So, yes, I am a skeptic. Always.

[Daryl]

Skeptics never let dogma dictate knowledge and learning, and skeptics always question those who claim that they have THE truth. Skeptics challenge, prod, poke, inquire and strive. So, yes, I am a skeptic. Always.

I used to be a skeptic when I was younger. Now I just want to have fun. I gave up challenging, prodding and poking, for distance, accuracy and trajectory. But hey, I'm glad that someone is following in my old footsteps. Long live the 60's.

[Tom Bartlett]

Its a machine, come on...lol. Homer Kelley was an engineer...

Just to be accurate. Homer Kelley was not an engineer, he was an engineering aid.

[Tom Bartlett]

There have been great players throughout history doing things that aren't correct and just because they were great doesn't mean its right.

Yes it does! Just because a swing doesn't look like Ben Hogans doesn't mean it's wrong (I know you didn't say Ben Hogan) but that is what is implied.

That's the whole point and beauty of Homer Kelley's golfing machine, there are a zillion (I know it's not a zillion) different ways to 'Do It'. And, the most ideal way might not be possible for some (for whatever reason be it physical or mental) so they find another.

[Mathew]

Yes it does! Just because a swing doesn't look like Ben Hogans doesn't mean it's wrong (I know you didn't say Ben Hogan) but that is what is implied.

That's the whole point and beauty of Homer Kelley's golfing machine, there are a zillion (I know it's not a zillion) different ways to 'Do It'. And, the most ideal way might not be possible for some (for whatever reason be it physical or mental) so they find another.

Read it, how can you not see it! There is a mechanical model underlying the whole entire book! You have to conform to the principles and alignments of the machine to have a precision stroke, conforming to the exact same principles you use in daily life and mechanical alignments you must adhere to if you want to be that efficient ballstriking machine. The book is written so that a player can have options in the various ways you can adjust it without compensations. A compensation is something that causes a disadvantage without any advantages in return or that any advantage is so overly outweighed it ceases to be one. If the impact interval is preformed as a swivel, it is a compensation. On a shot by shot basis 'the results' may even seem to be very similiar when expertly executed but every once in a while it will catch up with you and the price will be paid. Remember it is our role to give the Tiger Woods of tommorow the means and information so that he has an edge to enable him to break the records of Tiger Woods today inorder to keep inspiring the whole next generation of players that will play this game and not just merely copy the masters of old. Your stuck in the past learning the faults of your elders, and (until the next generation produces something even better) the golfing machine is advancing the future! Homer Kelley worked it out, he saw it, he understood it and the book is a proof to those that understand it!

[comdpa]

There have been great players throughout history doing things that aren't correct and just because they were great doesn't mean its right. Just because one does well using inferior alignments doesn't mean it is the simpliest way. That is why I love the golfing machine. I know he hits the ball well but it doesn't change that fact.

We're talking about the advancement of a sport, to keep on inspiring, to improve and to make the next generation play better. Do you not see what Homers vision was about and why he spent 40+ years working out the simpliest way to do things. I couldn't care less what Ben does, Tiger Woods does or any tour player for that matter - its about the simplicity of a machine and it is that which is going to advance the next generation of golfers.

Amen to that Mathew...he that have ears to hear, let him hear.