Just plane confused!

[Mike O]

Mikey,
You see that ballgame today! Man! Kobe was incredible- Holla Back!

I think Matthew should get on your case for no sense of humor!

Please!! No thread jacking!

[Mike O]

Doesn't the angle in your 7 example change? The accumulator angle seeks it's inline condition right?

In the real golf swing- absolutely accumulator 4 would release- move- change. That would only send the clubhead down more- i.e. be an offsetting factor for an "up" move. But in my example with the 7, I'm not taking that into account and I am still saying that:
Just because the intersection of the two lines (the lead shoulder in our golfing "machine" example) moves up in relation to the ground- the bottom of the 7 i.e. the clubhead - doesn't necessarily move up.

Again, I read Matthew's post to imply that if the left shoulder was moving up that the clubhead would be moving up and obviously the last half of any downswing shows that not to be true. Likewise the backswing shows that there is not a direct correlation between what the shoulder is doing and what the clubhead is doing i.e. the shoulder goes down in relation to the ground and the clubhead is moving up- for say at least the first half of the backswing if not more.

Hopefully, with all of my posts- Matthew can come back with where he or/and I miscommunicated, made a mistake, took something out of context, etc. As long as we make headway- I don't care what kind of headway it is!

[Mike O]

I referenced low point and the fact that from Impact to Low Point the shoulder location moves upwards significantly enough to effect the low point and move it backwards slightly.

So No and No...lol

Opposite the left shoulder is the lowest point in relation to the left shoulder itself but not the lowest point in the clubhead orbit which occurs just prior to that.

It might help to elaborate on this also- in addition to responding to my other posts.

[Mathew]

For Mike O....

[Yoda]

Oh my goodness . . .

[Mathew]

Oh my goodness . . .

Whahahahaha

Apart from on the phone with you, ive never actually verbally put my thoughts across. Im not actually a very good speaker but think I might do more video responces now as would prefer to become better at speaking these things verbally.

[Mike O]

For Mike O....

First of all- I loved that! No will ill- but the "Please tell me u can understand this"- that was beautiful and brought out the Bucket Chuckle in me!! Sorry if I'm driving you crazy!

Actually Matthew- that was very clear unlike my interpretation of your posts. At least I understand where you are coming from now. Of course, I'll need to take that new information and work with the ramifications and get back to you.

A few things before we move on-
1) The video was very clear and makes me want to just ignore any of your posts and start from scratch with the video- although I'll review your posts in light of the video and maybe I'll pick up some new insight.
2) I think we may still have trouble in paradise but how do I pay for or get more video answers!! That should be your modus operandi!! Was that really you or some imposter that made perfect sense!
3) I always like to keep up on technology- not saying I always do but I like to - I have no idea on how to upload video or what software system works easily. I'm going to need to learn that in the next month- I'm sure it's pretty easy- I'll be hitting the electronics store soon.

I do think at least for me- that it would have been less painful if at some point you would have said "I agree with the clubhead moving down while the shoulder is moving up"- but here is what I am saying .... in other words - you've got to bridge the gap and not just expect people to get into your world.

[Mathew]

First of all- I loved that! No will ill- but the "Please tell me u can understand this"- that was beautiful and brought out the Bucket Chuckle in me!! Sorry if I'm driving you crazy!

Actually Matthew- that was very clear unlike my interpretation of your posts. At least I understand where you are coming from now. Of course, I'll need to take that new information and work with the ramifications and get back to you.

I am glad I am entertaining and you now understand me...

A few things before we move on-
1) The video was very clear and makes me want to just ignore any of your posts and start from scratch with the video- although I'll review your posts in light of the video and maybe I'll pick up some new insight.

Thats fine - now we are on the same page....

2) Now that I understand what you are saying do you want to add step two - in regards to how you visualize low point happening before the left shoulder.

Do you mean how do you precisely locate it - you can't really... just engineer impact and keep the force going downplane into the followthrough....low point will take care of itself.

3) I think we may still have trouble in paradise but how do I pay for or get more video answers!! That should be your modus operandi!! Was that really you or some imposter that made perfect sense!

Yup that is me - I also have some videos of me playing guitar there if you are interested .

4) I always like to keep up on technology- not saying I always do but I like to - I have no idea on how to upload video or what software system works easily. I'm going to need to learn that in the next month- I'm sure it's pretty easy- I'll be hitting the electronics store soon.

Buy a webcam and mic, create a youtube account and just capture your video straight to youtube.

I do think at least for me- that it would have been less painful if at some point you would have said "I agree with the clubhead moving down while the shoulder is moving up"- but here is what I am saying .... in other words - you've got to bridge the gap and not just expect people to get into your world.

I thought what I was saying was extremely clear....lol

[Mike O]

I just watched the video for the 2nd time- starting off with "My, My"- you're killing me "Love that video!" Actually, I need a day or so to A) let some ideas simmer and B) give you a rest - I don't want to drive you away!! Too much fun.

Still might need some help on the last portion of the video and your original post. Can you video up an elaboration on why or what factors might influence low point being slightly before the left shoulder? Either way - I need to chew on this for a little bit for both reasons listed above.

[Mathew]

I just watched the video for the 2nd time- starting off with "My, My"- you're killing me "Love that video!" Actually, I need a day or so to A) let some ideas simmer and B) give you a rest - I don't want to drive you away!! Too much fun.

Still might need some help on the last portion of the video and your original post. Can you video up an elaboration on why or what factors might influence low point being slightly before the left shoulder? Either way - I need to chew on this for a little bit for both reasons listed above.

Ok let me see what I can do....