Motionless right shoulder

[laangels]

My 6th Edition says that in the putt minor basic stroke that the entire body is motionless, "especially the right shoulder". I just wanted to clarify, would that mean the right shoulder does not move at all, or does this only mean that the right shoulder does not move on its own accord, only by something else moving in the stroke (ie: the right arm bending and straightening)? Thanks guys

[KevCarter]

In the Alignment Golf putting DVD, Mr. Trolio and Mr. Blake make a HUGE point that we should NEVER mix shoulder turn and PA #1. If the right arm (elbow) powers the stroke, the right shoulder stays still. Great stuff, especially for a "Hitters" feel.

Kevin

[laangels]

Great, I had a feeling this was the case. Anyone simply use ACC #1 to putt? Why does anyone feel that this is a superior procedure, and who uses punch elbow, and who uses push elbow? Thanks again!

[KevCarter]

Great, I had a feeling this was the case. Anyone simply use ACC #1 to putt? Why does anyone feel that this is a superior procedure, and who uses punch elbow, and who uses push elbow? Thanks again!

I use #1 with the long putter, just like Yoda explains it in the DVD. I couldn't make a decent stroke with the long putter until I tried his method. I have been teaching some guys to putt using only #1 with the short putter with great results as well. Very simple...

Kevin

[dss]

...does anyone remember a guy by the name of NICKLAUS ???

[okie]

You have the Alignment Golf DVD? There is some good stuff about the push basic stroke in there. A toyed with the push basic for a year or so. I love the simplicity of it, I was also experimenting with a hitting procedure for my full strokes. I struggled with distance control, especially from the 10 ft range. Then I learned to preposition the right shoulder for the desired precision destination ...namely the follow through (also the finish for putts) Yikes! If I got the shoulder gauged correctly the hole started to look a lot bigger. At the end of the day I am a swinger, so I use #4 to power my stroke, but I think the push basic stroke is scary accurate. Two things to focus on:

1. Make sure the right forearm is pointed at the plane line
2. Make sure your right shoulder allows you as much right arm as you need to power the stroke.

Push basic with the right forearm parallel to the plane line is great for swift downhill putts because of the automatic vertical hinge it produces. As I have said before I use ALL THREE hinge actions on the greens. I reserve the horizontal hinge for uber-long St. Andrews type putts, or if I have fringe to go through. The intent of selection is a big piece of the mental game in my opinion. Results are secondary...execution is primary!

[laangels]

I think that my preferred procedure is to use a punch right elbow and angled hinging, just easier for me to reproduce. My question is, does the right elbow fan on the backstroke, as in a total motion stroke, or is it just a right arm punch with no conscious fanning? Once again, you are all much smarter than I am and are such a huge reason behind my recent successes on the golf course. Thank you

[Yoda]

I think that my preferred procedure is to use a punch right elbow and angled hinging, just easier for me to reproduce. My question is, does the right elbow fan on the backstroke, as in a total motion stroke, or is it just a right arm punch with no conscious fanning? Once again, you are all much smarter than I am and are such a huge reason behind my recent successes on the golf course. Thank you

Glad you're experiencing your recent successes, laangels. Stay with us . . . there's more to come!

There are three Major Basic Strokes: Punch, Pitch and Push. Punch and Pitch demand Right Forearm/Elbow Fanning -- the Hands move around the Right Elbow -- and that Action begins immediately.

Only with Push is there no fanning. Instead, the Right Elbow is positioned in an 'up and out' location at Address, and the Hands are held between the Right Elbow and the Ball throughout the Stroke.

P-U-S-H.

A ponderous Action that produces very little distance in relation to the applied Thrust.

[O.B.Left]

Push basic with the right forearm parallel to the plane line is great for swift downhill putts because of the automatic vertical hinge it produces. !

Great stuff Okie.

With this procedure do you trace a straight plane line (arc putting, the putter head visually covering the arc of approach, the shaft running along a string line, the putter head riding an inclined plane or putting arc) OR do you use a straight back, straight through (cover the plane line, intentional steering, acceptable when putting although a disruption of the clubs circular orbit, linear force as opposed to the angular we employ on longer shots, pool cue as opposed to baseball bat, the putter running along a straight rail or plane board which is at right angles to ground)? This is my longest sentence to date, over to the hole-ies and pole-ies section.

Although the information you are sharing is almost 50 years old it is nowhere near being common knowledge. There are famous putting instructors out there with popular books or "bibles" even that dont grasp the geometry you refer to, real though it is. Each hinge action having an associated effect on the ball.

I keep re learning the importance of putting with a selected hinge action. To ignore it is to court a mis hit, like a miscue in pool. A disruption of the balls line of compression. The selected motion or arc must stay constant.

Still working my way through 2-C. Let me know where Im wrong.

[okie]

[quote=O.B.Left;65390]Great stuff Okie.
OR do you use a straight back, straight through (cover the plane line, intentional steering, acceptable when putting although a disruption of the clubs circular orbit,

I steer! It feels ungainly, but it produces a very soft impact. It is not my preferred pattern, but I tend to do it under pressure anyway! I find it to be a similar situation as grip pressure. Under pressure the tendency is to hold on for dear life. So why not grip it tight to begin with, as long as your wrists can do what they are supposed to do. I think Yoda relayed a Larry Nelson ancecdote that went along those lines.