For both Hitters and Swingers, the Pivot Loads the #3 Lag Pressure Point during the Start Down. This insures that the Body will lead the Power Package into the Downstroke and offers assurance that it will continue to do so into the Finish.
For Hitters, the Loading is maintained on the Aft side of the Shaft. Since the Right Forearm supports this Loading Action, this procedure simultaneously Loads the Bent Right Arm. Led by the Hip Slide (parallel to the chosen Delivery Line), the Downstroke Right Shoulder Turn takes up the initial inertia -- the disinclination of the Sweet Spot to follow.
But...the Shoulder Turn is slow, and its ability to continue the Downstroke Acceleration soon pales in comparison to that of the now Loaded Right Triceps. Accordingly, the Right Shoulder early in the Downstroke ceases to apply Thrust. Instead, its Action (actively doing work) becomes merely Motion (permitting, but not causing, other events to occur).
It thus becomes the Launching Pad -- the 'recoil' platform -- for the Driving Right Arm.[/url]
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Working with plastic sticks and Impact bag the Tracing for Swingers always produces a Horizontal Hinge, while the RFT done correctly produces an Angle Hinge. I'll save the Vertical Hinge until I start breaking 65 (LOL!)!
The Hitter bumps and rolls that right shoulder, while the Swinger plants the left heel leaving the EA wedges where they were and "spins that metal block gyroscope" leading with that right shoulder decimating the ball.
I like Ted's highly delayed Pivot just feels very solid and controlled and I love taking the Swing to shoulder height as it feels like I have forever to explode the ball.
Now for the short game!
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Played today-82! Dropping elbow or driving # 3 PP but Level left wrists in stroke and chips is key, with good intentional, aim PP # 3 putting.
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Hip thrust, elbow drop, right knee to 10 o'clock, drive PP # 1, drive PP # 3, roll your belly button, roll your back shoulder, goat humping, side arm frisbee throw, sidearm baseball throw, but the intentionality must be there! To paraphrase Lynn, 'you see the cup on the shelf (Impact Plane Line) and you reach for it (Delivery Path, Aim Point?)! Your body cooperates'! INTENTIONALITY and UNDERSTANDING.
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Swing Toward the Plane Line Not Toward the Target
Originally Posted by teach
...what would be the difference between the target and the plane line? Would they not be along the the same line?
The Impact Plane Line is in front of you and down on the ground. You swing the Club Down and Out toward that Plane Line and through it toward the Low Point Plane Line.
The Target, on the other hand, is well to your left...way out there...somewhere. Steering the Club on a Line to that distant Target is completely different than swinging Down and Out toward the Plane Line down and in front of you.
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Hip thrust, elbow drop, right knee to 10 o'clock, drive PP # 1, drive PP # 3, roll your belly button, roll your back shoulder, goat humping, side arm frisbee throw, sidearm baseball throw, but the intentionality must be there! To paraphrase Lynn, 'you see the cup on the shelf (Impact Plane Line) and you reach for it (Delivery Path, Aim Point?)! Your body cooperates'! INTENTIONALITY and UNDERSTANDING.
Could you explain this goat humping business? What section(s)from (12-1-0/ 12-2-0), component No. (8-1/12) and alignments from 12-3-0 are relevant?
Hip thrust, elbow drop, right knee to 10 o'clock, drive PP # 1, drive PP # 3, roll your belly button, roll your back shoulder, goat humping, side arm frisbee throw, sidearm baseball throw, but the intentionality must be there! To paraphrase Lynn, 'you see the cup on the shelf (Impact Plane Line) and you reach for it (Delivery Path, Aim Point?)! Your body cooperates'! INTENTIONALITY and UNDERSTANDING.
Yup read the definition of Pivot in the glossary.
Hey have you heard of "crush the can"? I like it . Given the "body cooperates " hands to pivot , intentionality you mention above: in training (prior to ingraining) you could "crush the can " with your left leg and "side arm the frisbee", Right Arm Throw (Hitting). Once you get the left hip over the left shoe perfectly, which the crush the can move automates, its hard not to pivot. The body will "cooperate" to facilitate the on plane travel of the right forearm or hand path. Im not saying the Pivot isn't work , effort , action but most guys way over do it and/or do it off balance. Gotta get left first , then turn.
You tried the "stork drill"? Standing on your left leg with your right pulled way back, hitting balls at about 3/4 strength. Being left makes contact easy. You can dial down your excess pivot motion while doing this drill then take that new motion to your real shots. The pivot, Zone 1 , job 1, critical though it is , isn't as big or effortful as it appears to the eye or the camera. Its another of golfs illusions.
Hey have you heard of "crush the can"? I like it . Given the "body cooperates " hands to pivot , intentionality you mention above: in training (prior to ingraining) you could "crush the can " and "side arm the frisbee". Once you get the left hip over the left shoe perfectly, which the crush the can move automates, its hard not to pivot.
You tried the "stork drill"? Standing on your left leg with your right pulled way back, hitting balls at about 3/4 strength. Being left makes contact easy. You can dial down your excess pivot motion while doing this drill then take that new motion to your real shots. The pivot isn't as big or effortful as it appears .
I am standing on my left leg right now as I type this much like Ralph Masacio in "Karate Kid." I am in a crane position!
Seriously, thanks OB, the image of right leg pulled back. That is how I first discovered the joy of pelvic thrusting, that, and there was this Canadian girl when I was 16...long dark hair ....good singer...Shaniah....
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Lag Loading In Pivot Strokes
Originally Posted by tongzilla
And yet the Hitter is Drive Loading and the Swinger is Drag Loading, even though both have this initial Pull by the Body (starting from the Feet -- gear train effect) at Startdown?
Yes, both Hitter and Swinger use Pivot Lag (Hips lead Shoulders in the Downstroke) to Load the Power Package (via the On Plane Right Shoulder Turn Thrust against Pressure Point #4).
The essential difference between the two is what is being Loaded and how. The Hitter Loads the Right Triceps to Drive the Club through Impact, and he does so by using the Hands at the Top to resist the motion of the Backstroke Turn per 7-19-1. The Swinger Loads the Left Wrist to Drag the Club through Impact, and he does so by using the Shoulder Thrust to Snap the Club onto the Lag Pressure Point per 7-19-3.
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Thanks for the post Air! Thanks again, Lynn!
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Thanks for the photo and discussion. Hopefully my measurements are close enough and I am not being too precise but here are some observations of the photo positions and a question. Would appreciate your comments or clarification from a zero shift perspective.
1 (O)-A line drawn through the two hand positions to the ground does not intersect the plane line.
2 (O)-The hands at address are below the TSP.
3 (O)-Considering the sweet spot plane and the address shaft plane both pass through the "hands/PP3" and assuming the right forearm rests on the appropriate plane, that plane is flatter than the TSP. Or, the right shoulder turns to a point that is not on the "preselected plane" (ref. 10-13-D).
4(?)-In the downstroke, do the hands return to the address position or move down the TSP?
My plane is in # 3 PP!
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ordinating the Pivot and the Right Forearm Takeaway
Originally Posted by 300Drive
Thats nice to "say", but, what do the pros DO? I submit that the overwelming majority do STT, not RFT.
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You're right, 300Drive. Most pros do use a Shoulder Turn Takeaway. It's the way we were taught: "Take it back low and slow."
Unfortunately, at the very least, allowing the Shoulder Turn to dominate the Start Up puts the Stroke on an Elbow Plane, which is Flatter than the ideal Turned Shoulder Plane, thus requiring the Plane Shift that Drewitgolf refers to in his post above. In many cases, it actually puts the Club below Plane, an Off Plane condition that must be corrected no later than the Start Down. Both scenarios earned Homer Kelley's Warning Label:
"...the disruptive Shoulder Turn Takeaway -- which is always too 'Flat' and/or too 'Low' making a Plane Angle Shift mandatory and usually unintentional and unsuspected."
When integrating the Right Forearm Takeaway into your Stroke, just be sure to maintain the separate identities and alignments of the Three Zones. In fact, I recommend you practice your Zone #1 (Body Control) independently of Zone #3 (Ball Control). Spend time in drill -- use a mirror and look, look LOOK! -- training first your Pivot (to Turn the Right Shoulder back to the Plane) and then your Right Forearm (to Trace the Plane Line).
Then put the two together, but always...
Let the Hands control.
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