Accumulator 3 Question

[KevCarter]

Mr. So-fist-toe-kate-id.

LOL

You are still the GREATEST online persona in golf 12 Piece Bucket!

Kevin

[Mike O]

Dude . . . he's not a REAL bear moron . . . some bears can be taught to drive, fart on command, star in low budget films and eat cheetoz . . . but type??? Freakin' moron.

Plus . . . some accumulators can be zeroed out and just supply motion no?

Dumbazz - He is a bear! Based on your definition above - Are you are Bear? You fit the criteria!

[12 piece bucket]

Dumbazz - He is a bear! Based on your definition above - Are you are Bear? You fit the criteria!

If I'm a bear you're a hampster.

[HungryBear]

Need a Fourth???

The Bear

[Daryl]

After thinking about the question posed at #1.

My answer is NO!

Because ZERO accumulator is NOT an accumulator.

The condition is one of a BASIC machine, constructed with a hinge action, preferred either (dual) horizontal, angled, or (dual) vertical. (if you want to stay on an inclined plane)

Only capable of being pushed or pulled through impact.

there is no out of line condition of the secondary lever assembly.
there is no secondary lever assembly.

Just my opinion.

The Bear

Maybe it wasn't a very good question.

When the #3 Accumulator is Zeroed out, there is no "Overtaking Action".

My Question: "Does the #3 Accumulator Action still function normally?", maybe I should have asked:

1. "Do you still swing the same way?" or
2. "Are the Alignments of the machine the same with or without the #3 Accumulator?" or
3. "Does the Power Package release change in any Way?" or
4. "If the #3 Accumulator is partly responsible for the Closing of the Clubface in relation to the Plane Line, is that Closing activity still present when there is no "Overtaking Action?".

Does the #3 Accumulator have a Dual Role? "Basic Motion" (Basic Geometry or Basic Alignment) uses Zero Pivot and uses Zero #3 Accumulator by Placing the Club into the Cup of the Left Hand. During the Backstroke, the Clubface Turns and during the Downstroke it Rolls. Is that caused by the same mechanism that operates the #3 Accumulator? Or, is it simply "Orbiting Arms", 2-G. There are two versions of the #3 Accumulator, Left Hand Version and Right Hand Version.

Yes, in that there is still a definite 'Overtaking Action' (of the Hands by the Clubhead) as driven -- actively (Hitting) or passively (swinging) -- by the straightening Right Arm.

"Mike O" alluded to another mechanism for operating the #3 Accumulator:

It's not the only or required powering source for the #3 accumulator (see 6-B-3-A) - you have other options/ contributors available - depending on shot length etc.

If Mike O finished sweeping snow off the tee boxes, perhaps he can expand his comment.

One more thought: Essential Geometry.

Learning step-by-step – start with 3-0 and 3-b. Learning step-by-step to maintain the essential Geometry per 5-0, under all conditions, alone leads to a MASTER’S level of execution. That is – with and without Wristcock, with and without #3 Accumulator, with any Hinging, with any Plane Line Combination (10-5) from any Ball Location, Hitting or Swinging, with Right Forearm Takeaway (7-3) and with a motionless Right Wrist.

[HungryBear]

Maybe it wasn't a very good question.

When the #3 Accumulator is Zeroed out, there is no "Overtaking Action".

My Question: "Does the #3 Accumulator Action still function normally?", maybe I should have asked:

1. "Do you still swing the same way?" or
2. "Are the Alignments of the machine the same with or without the #3 Accumulator?" or
3. "Does the Power Package release change in any Way?" or
4. "If the #3 Accumulator is partly responsible for the Closing of the Clubface in relation to the Plane Line, is that Closing activity still present when there is no "Overtaking Action?".

Does the #3 Accumulator have a Dual Role? "Basic Motion" (Basic Geometry or Basic Alignment) uses Zero Pivot and uses Zero #3 Accumulator by Placing the Club into the Cup of the Left Hand. During the Backstroke, the Clubface Turns and during the Downstroke it Rolls. Is that caused by the same mechanism that operates the #3 Accumulator? Or, is it simply "Orbiting Arms", 2-G. There are two versions of the #3 Accumulator, Left Hand Version and Right Hand Version.



"Mike O" alluded to another mechanism for operating the #3 Accumulator:


If Mike O finished sweeping snow off the tee boxes, perhaps he can expand his comment.

One more thought: Essential Geometry.

OK-My Opinion:

1. No!
2. No!
3. Yes!
4. Yes! because of hinge action and pivot not because of #3- but it seems all the same with rhythm?

#1-#2-#3 because, for an accumulator #3 other than zero there is an required plane shift and/or manipulation. I argue that the necessary plane shift is part of release. With the proper adjustment a #3 accumulator with no #2 activity or #2 active with no #3 activity.
Just My opinion - and food for thought.

May I add that this may have limited utility.
The Bear

[BerntR]

You'd probably have to use a strong double action grip to hit the ball properly without accumulator#3, because you wouldn't have any time or hand travel to do the roll. 100% of the wrist cock could be attributed to accumulator #2 and you could use angled hinge or perhaps vertical hinge with no roll through the ball.

But a single action grip with accumulator #2 and without acc#3 would require an instant roll. Since we have an impact interval, it wouldnt be possible to hit the ball straight even if the instant roll was possible.

[innercityteacher]

Dumbazz - He is a bear! Based on your definition above - Are you are Bear? You fit the criteria!

Normally, as most of you know, I'm comfortable with that sensation (Daryl, will still take a shot, but I expect that.)

I'm hoping this is not thread-jacking since I'm referring to # 3 PP exclusively.


Hello men. I thought I'd share this event with really experienced folks to see if I have finally gone off the edge trying to catch the "white whale."

I was playing a second 18 a couple of Saturdays ago and my # 3 PP started to tingle and it was all I could feel. Edz's "support the swing in balance" came to my mind so I did it.

I stopped thinking of mechanics and concentrated on putting my mind in my hands or # 3 PP.

This caused some very strange dominos to fall. My left wrist at shoulder level was almost flat enough to hold a glass. My right palm was up all the way through impact. I felt like I was holding water in my palm and moving to support it all the way through. I could fire my arm or swing and feel the # 3 and the ball really felt to compress, making a nice zzzzzzz sound with irons or soft "ch" sound at impact with hybrids and woods.

I really had to change my downswing so much that I felt I was crazy. Sometimes I couldn't trust it since it was so strange and I would ignore it and clack a ball.

After realizing that I could shoot a low 80 something with it, I decided to trust it. After the round, I felt my triceps and outer leg muscles so stressed that I thought I had worked out for an hour; my muscles were sore.

Now, I feel that # 3 PP all the time, swinging or hitting.

Have you guys ever ever experienced this? Is it good or stupid? When I was straightening my right arm last week to shoot a 39 on 9 holes, I tilted my hand so I could thrust that # 3 PP into the ball.

I don't want to trust a feeling made of bad mechanics. I think maybe the right palm up and flat left wrist at shoulder level is supporting the # 3 PP and compensating for my leg imbalance?

I'm confused.


YBGF

[HungryBear]

You'd probably have to use a strong double action grip to hit the ball properly without accumulator#3, because you wouldn't have any time or hand travel to do the roll. 100% of the wrist cock could be attributed to accumulator #2 and you could use angled hinge or perhaps vertical hinge with no roll through the ball.

But a single action grip with accumulator #2 and without acc#3 would require an instant roll. Since we have an impact interval, it wouldnt be possible to hit the ball straight even if the instant roll was possible.

Yes the grip needs to change but I believe that places no restriction on hinge action if we place all hinge action at the shoulder-I need to think that through- maybe only angled hinging available

the limited utility caveat remains.

The Bear

[SolidStrike]

Zero #3 Accummulator Automatically becomes vertical hinging. Clubface remains in its Fix position throughout the stroke. Manual Clubface Manipulation. It is a feelng of no roll or reverse roll.



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