Originally Posted by jerry1967
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Let me get this right though. If I a choose a plane angle higher then TSP I need a vertical drop to get back to the TSP ? Why couldn' I use the TSP and than use a vertical drop and use a flatter plane back to the ball?
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Yes. Assuming you want to Startdown with your Shoulders , your Right Shoulder specifically pulling the Hands down the Inclined Plane. If you didnt drop them down vertically to the TSP the Right Shoulder and the Hands would be on different Plane angles at top and any pulling of the Hands by the Shoulders ( a very good thing) would be an off plane pull.
Re your second question......You can, its in the book, 10-7 B Single Shift assuming you stayed on the TSP on the Backswing or 10-7-C Double Shift assuming you shifted to the TSP on the Backswing from the elbow plane and back again going down. These are your garden variety shifts. But even then, the Down the TSP movement of the Right Shoulder
in Startdown will pull the Hands down the same Plane towards the Plane Line. A
brief but critical period. A very good thing, maybe something that separates the Pros' from the Hackers. Zero shift is a rarity I believe. I bolded "brief" because you can't take the right shoulder all the way down the TSP , eventually the right shoulder moves outside it but by then the Hands are catching another ride down the TSP from the arms.
If you get on the TSP at Top but then move the Right Shoulder flat instead of down plane............you'd get your Hands pulled out , over the plane again. Sort of like the Twist Shift 10-7 whatever.
The other way to look at this is to see it from the 6-M-1 perspective.......the ground/up Downswing Sequence. Assuming you dont wont to start down with your Hands but with rather with your Shoulders to pull the Hands........there is only one way to achieve it. You must get the Hands and the Right Shoulder on the same Inclined Plane for that brief period when the shoulders are pulling the Hands, Startdown.
As an aside this relates to an age old argument about what "Hands to Pivot" is. Hands to Pivot to my mind anyways does not mean that the Hands
proceed the Pivot sequentially in Startup. No Sir. In Startdown I'd argue that with your brain in your Hands, this TSP/Standard Shoulder Turn business is still Hands to Pivot despite the fact your Hands are being pulled by the Shoulders. Your Hands are still sensing , aiming , directing despite their free ride courtesy of the Right Shoulder. Like a hitchhiker who turns into a backseat driver.
Perhaps I over stated an observation after watching a particular guy teach vertical drop. There's nothing wrong with vertical drop , a plane shift to a lower plane although plane shifts are hazardous until perfected. But he's teaching it as a master move with no regard for alignments. It solves a lot of problems for guys who have higher backswing, like the guys back in the '70's or whatever but its not a cure all , magic move or anything. What would happen if you took a guy who had a beautiful but minimal shift from the TSP down to the Elbow Plane with a level left wrist , a Right Forearm Flying Wedge at Impact and then got him to vertically drop his Hands two feet? We might never have heard of Ben Hogan. Position golf , ugh.
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