Flat as possible?

[jerry1967]

The ideal Shoulder Turn is the Standard Variation of 10-13-A. This
involves a Backstroke Turn 'as Flat as possible' back to the Plane,
followed by a Downstroke Turn down the Plane.


Could someone please clarify this for me? I don't understand what is meant by "as Flat as possible back to the plane".

[Daryl]

The ideal Shoulder Turn is the Standard Variation of 10-13-A. This
involves a Backstroke Turn 'as Flat as possible' back to the Plane,
followed by a Downstroke Turn down the Plane.


Could someone please clarify this for me? I don't understand what is meant by "as Flat as possible back to the plane".

Where did "Flat as possible" come from?

The book says that "...Shoulder Turn which places the Shoulder “On Plane” for any Plane Angle with a flatter angle than the Rotated Shoulder Angle." It is named "Flat" "relatively Flat" but is surely not as Flat as one can turn.

"On Plane" is about the "Steepest"
"Rotated" is still pretty steep (90 degrees to the Spine)
"Flat" is just below Rotated

10-13-A STANDARD This is dual application of the Flat (-B below) Backstroke and On Plane (-D below) Downstroke Shoulder Turn.

10-13-B FLAT This is a relatively flat Backstroke Shoulder Turn which places the Shoulder “On Plane” for any Plane Angle with a flatter angle than the Rotated Shoulder Angle. A Flat Downstroke Shoulder Turn can serve only to impact a circular motion to the Stroke, but almost irresistibly “Off Plane.”

[jerry1967]

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[Daryl]

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I can't answer that.

involves a Backstroke Turn 'as Flat as possible' back to the Plane,

But, maybe it has something to do with:

When the Shoulder can’t quite reach the Plane, it is better to use a steeper Plane.

[O.B.Left]

D, I'd say you're bang on there with that quote.

I believe the "flat as possible" shoulder turn on the backstroke is ones best effort to get the right shoulder onto the shaft plane........which cant be done most likely if the club is flatly soled anyways.

Why do this? To minimize the plane shift necessary to get the Hands and Right Shoulder onto the same Inclined Plane at Top. A TSP. The TSP is not a singular plane angle, there's a range, the flatter the less the associated Plane Shift gong back and then down........which isnt necessarily a particularly flat swing in common parlance.

Understanding, employing the TSP forgoes the necessity for "vertical drop" or any other compensation that some teachers promote as "the" method. It just aint so, its "a" method only and one Homer described himself for those who choose a plane angle higher than a TSP. But I digress. Homer's Turned Shoulder Plane is pure genius. Its worth the study as its the cure for many of golfs ills which appear in transition, "at the crossroads of the swing " as Homer referred to it.

[jerry1967]

D, I'd say you're bang on there with that quote.

I believe the "flat as possible" shoulder turn on the backstroke is ones best effort to get the right shoulder onto the shaft plane........which cant be done most likely if the club is flatly soled anyways.

Why do this? To minimize the plane shift necessary to get the Hands and Right Shoulder onto the same Inclined Plane at Top. A TSP. The TSP is not a singular plane angle, there's a range, the flatter the less the associated Plane Shift gong back and then down........which isnt necessarily a particularly flat swing in common parlance.

Understanding, employing the TSP forgoes the necessity for "vertical drop" or any other compensation that some teachers promote as "the" method. It just aint so, its "a" method only and one Homer described himself for those who choose a plane angle higher than a TSP. But I digress. Homer's Turned Shoulder Plane is pure genius. Its worth the study as its the cure for many of golfs ills which appear in transition, "at the crossroads of the swing " as Homer referred to it.

"The TSP is not a singular plane angle, there's a range".
This is great information thank you .
Let me get this right though. If I a choose a plane angle higher then TSP I need a vertical drop to get back to the TSP ? Why couldn' I use the TSP and than use a vertical drop and use a flatter plane back to the ball?