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01-12-2011, 12:18 AM
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Got Rhythm?
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01-12-2011, 01:10 AM
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That was cool.
MacDonald drill edutainment.
Astair demonstrating hitting on the hands plane
The motion may look a bit flippy but the rhythm seems to be consistent with hands plane and a very short back stroke. In his last stroke he does a planeshift UP to a low version of the elbow plane and really turns his shoulders through the shot to a full finish. Nice!
I bet Fred could play.
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01-12-2011, 09:34 AM
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Lance Armed & Strong
Welcome back Bagger!
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01-12-2011, 09:51 AM
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Ahh... the MacDonald Drills set to music. Who would have thought?
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01-12-2011, 01:58 PM
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Analyze This?
This is a marvelous find Bagger thanks.
See the way he brushes the ground in two directions.......pure Mehlhourn /MacDonald/Blake motion training there. I wonder if Fred ever had a lesson with Wild Bill, or MacDonald? Or maybe Yoda when he was only about 300 years old. Hmmm......I thinking there was a grass whip in Fred's past.
I always wondered if the Mehlhourn drill woulda fixed Charles Barkley's problem. They even had all the balls set up for it too ....but got him to pause between swings, too bad. We'll never know. Might not have been fixable. He woulda lost some serious weight in the process, no need to go for cardio workouts afterwards. I quit the gym and am doing this myself this winter.
Here's Fred Astaire's swing broken down, not bad given that he'd been dancing around for a while before he did this. Some nice components there. Kind of gets his head in front of his hips like Walter Hagen, but it flows along just like you'd expect from him. So proper motion can create the positions we so fondly observe?????? Better than just copping the positions? How do you learn the proper Motion?
I wonder if Yoda would care to analyze this? Or anyone else? We can skip the pre shot routine it being rather lengthy.
I see a little kick in of the right knee with a hovered club head..... Adjusted , mid body hands, nice cleared right hip, Lagging Takeaway .......I dunno.
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01-12-2011, 11:58 PM
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Following the Steps of a Master
There is a lot of things I like about this video, but what got me was not only the similarity to MacDonald drills, but also how well balanced he is; particularly on the swing sequence that OB captured (Thanks OB). I love how he gets to his left side even with a relatively wide stance, and dare I say it, a stationary head.
I was tempted to post this in the drills section. If anyone can master those steps... 
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01-13-2011, 03:05 PM
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Rhythm is essential, imperative in my opinion.
I was hitting balls last week, one of those days when I felt "rhythm" and hit 100 balls really well no sweat and did not feel tired at all,actually felt had more energy afterwards.
Then few days ago, after hitting 10 balls, I felt NO Rhythm, I keep hitting balls thinking it would come. I tried to swing faster(faster tempo) or slower(slower tempo) but still no rhythm. It was real effort. The distance on my shots, especially the woods was a lot shorter despite trying to hit harder. My alignment and mechanic thoughts did not change from last week.
I keep hitting more balls... with different mechanical swing thoughts but....there was no change. After 100 balls I was physically and mentally tired.
Then after resting for a day, it became clear to me.....whatever mechanical pattern(swinging or hitting)and it's subset pattern you decide, make sure the rhythmic pattern matches the mechanical pattern. It's not simply one rpm, it's how the rpm's of each part of the machine work together,
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01-13-2011, 04:57 PM
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I Plead the 4th
Originally Posted by dlam
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Rhythm is essential, imperative in my opinion.
I was hitting balls last week, one of those days when I felt "rhythm" and hit 100 balls really well no sweat and did not feel tired at all,actually felt had more energy afterwards.
Then few days ago, after hitting 10 balls, I felt NO Rhythm, I keep hitting balls thinking it would come. I tried to swing faster(faster tempo) or slower(slower tempo) but still no rhythm. It was real effort. The distance on my shots, especially the woods was a lot shorter despite trying to hit harder. My alignment and mechanic thoughts did not change from last week.
I keep hitting more balls... with different mechanical swing thoughts but....there was no change. After 100 balls I was physically and mentally tired.
Then after resting for a day, it became clear to me.....whatever mechanical pattern(swinging or hitting)and it's subset pattern you decide, make sure the rhythmic pattern matches the mechanical pattern. It's not simply one rpm, it's how the rpm's of each part of the machine work together,
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Homer Kelley almost name Rhythm as a 4th Imperative, but decided that it was indeed possible to play golf without proper Rhythm, albeit with great difficulty.
The Left Arm Flying Wedge, the Flat Left Wrist and Left Arm all move around the Left Shoulder Hinge Pin together at the same RPM’s. You can make it your personal 4th.
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01-13-2011, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by drewitgolf
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The Left Arm Flying Wedge, the Flat Left Wrist and Left Arm all move around the Left Shoulder Hinge Pin together at the same RPM’s. You can make it your personal 4th.
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At the top, the club is lagging behind the left arm with about a quarter rotation (90 degrees) and in the finish it is leading with 90 degrees. In the definitions. So the shaft moves at a higher RPM than the arm and there is a gradual overtaking here as well.
In the definitions he says .... "the same basic RPM" when he talks about golf rhythm. But in the mechanical definition the term "basic" is left out. The wort "basic" is hardly a coincidence here. The definition also states "overtaking all other components at an even, steady, rate."
I don't think this definition is very good, becaus what really happens is different from what the definition says.
The overtaking rate in the stroke isn't. If you look at the kinetic link speed profiles of hips, shoulders, hand and clubhead, where the predecessor peaks and then slows down as the successor takes over, this is clear. (Now where are those nice illustrations when you need them )
To me, rhythm is to manage this sequenced overtaking and time it so that lead-lag relations in the kinetic link, including clubhead lagpressure is sustained - and the flat left wrist is intact until low point (deep breath).
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01-13-2011, 06:53 PM
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Looks good but where is the ball going !?? Whats his handicap. I think he is just a show off.
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