CF in hitting.

[BerntR]

MizunoJoe,

There is only one requirement for CF to be present in a golf stroke. And that requirement is strictly geometrical. Any time the club head has a somewhat curved path (which is basically all the time from top to finish) there will be CF present.

Hitting or swinging doesn't make a difference.

CF is nothing more (and nothing less) than club head inertia's response to an inward pulling effort (the other CF, Centripetal Force). The swinger manipulates these CF's to harness & control the throw-out and thereby the release. The hitter relies less on CF manipulation and more on muscle force to release the club and square up the club face, but both CF's are still present, has to be negotiated and is a key enabler to an efficient stroke with a chain reaction like release.

[Slazman]

MizunoJoe,

There is only one requirement for CF to be present in a golf stroke. And that requirement is strictly geometrical. Any time the club head has a somewhat curved path (which is basically all the time from top to finish) there will be CF present.

Hitting or swinging doesn't make a difference.

CF is nothing more (and nothing less) than club head inertia's response to an inward pulling effort (the other CF, Centripetal Force). The swinger manipulates these CF's to harness & control the throw-out and thereby the release. The hitter relies less on CF manipulation and more on muscle force to release the club and square up the club face, but both CF's are still present, has to be negotiated and is a key enabler to an efficient stroke with a chain reaction like release.

Does one have to use Single wrist action while applying a hitting technique?

[BerntR]

Does one have to use Single wrist action while applying a hitting technique?

I don't have the complete answer to that. There's plenty of room for component variation without compensation.

But the diff between swinging and hitting starts early in the bs for me. Single vs standard wrist action is essential for the loading condition of pp#1 & pp#3 in the down swing. More of a "reverse dual horizontal" wrist action in the back swing with plenty of lag between pivot and hands for the swing. And more pivot rotation to create dual horizontal or angle hinge for the hitting back swing. I can probably do as long back swing while hitting as swinging, but then I need more shoulder turn for the hit, to get the right shoulder in position to drive the hands down plane. The swing feels more like a drop of the hands under the plane of the right shoulder to me. It's a feel thing, I know, but there is a geometrical difference right shoulder to hands between hitting and swinging and not only the PP#3 rotation. At least for me.

If you want to hit, you need to rotate pp#1 & #3 back on plane before the release. And for a 3 barrel hit, you probably should aim to keep it on plane at all times.

Just my 2cents. I have a feeling that Yoda would have a more systematic and general take on this, with more room for variation. Perhaps OB.Left too. He has a lot of ideas & knowledge about different styles of hitting. Fascinating stuff.

[Daryl]

Does one have to use Single wrist action while applying a hitting technique?

Hitting Alignment. Loading the Primary Lever vs Loading the Secondary Lever.

Vary the Loading Action by Varying the Right Elbow Alignment. See Magic of the Right Forearm. At the End of Start-up, choose either to Pitch the Elbow (Standard Wrist Action) to load the Secondary Lever (Shaft), or raise the Elbow (Single Wrist Action) to Load the Primary Lever (Left Arm and Shaft).

Note that regardless of Loading action or Swinging or Hitting, the Impact Alignments are identical. The Flying Wedges are aligned at Right Angles, the Left Wrist is Flat and Level, the Right Wrist is Bent and Level, the Right Forearm is On-Plane, etc.

Note also, that because the Primary Lever is "Loaded", it cannot Swing (Throwout) although it will and should be pulled. If you make the mistake of trying to swing the Left Arm, the #3 PP will "Un-Load".

Swinging is Harnessing CF. Hitting is Overpowering CF. It's still there, it's no longer a factor.

[MizunoJoe]

Swinging is Harnessing CF. Hitting is Overpowering CF. It's still there, it's no longer a factor.

I appreciate the post, but, I have trouble understanding how CF is still there, if it were preempted by the right triceps, and what it means to say that, "it's no longer a factor", when it never was to begin with.

[Daryl]

I appreciate the post, but, I have trouble understanding how CF is still there, if it were preempted by the right triceps, and what it means to say that, "it's no longer a factor", when it never was to begin with.

Well, I'm not trying to trick you. Rotation induces Throwout.

Hitters stay "ahead of the Throwout". If the "Throwout" gets ahead, I would consider that to be unintentional.

[MizunoJoe]

Well, I'm not trying to trick you. Rotation induces Throwout.

Hitters stay "ahead of the Throwout". If the "Throwout" gets ahead, I would consider that to be unintentional.

Yes, but there is no rotation in Hitting, and so no Throwout, only Driveout. The right triceps hits off a braced high right shoulder, which doesn't spin and so doesn't move the left shoulder enough to create rotation. No CF in Hitting.

[Bumpy]

Yes, but there is no rotation in Hitting, and so no Throwout, only Driveout. The right triceps hits off a braced high right shoulder, which doesn't spin and so doesn't move the left shoulder enough to create rotation. No CF in Hitting.

MJ,

Think that through, use a club, and try again. Be a sport and upload the video of it.

[Etzwane]

Yes, but there is no rotation in Hitting, and so no Throwout, only Driveout. The right triceps hits off a braced high right shoulder, which doesn't spin and so doesn't move the left shoulder enough to create rotation. No CF in Hitting.

One is still pushing the left arm on a circle, and then there's the wrist uncocking, so there's still plenty of rotation of the club head so some CF. Does it matter in practice for Hitting, I don't know. As O.B. said one tries to mainly overpower it with muscular force.

[HungryBear]

Hitting Alignment. Loading the Primary Lever vs Loading the Secondary Lever.

Vary the Loading Action by Varying the Right Elbow Alignment. See Magic of the Right Forearm. At the End of Start-up, choose either to Pitch the Elbow (Standard Wrist Action) to load the Secondary Lever (Shaft), or raise the Elbow (Single Wrist Action) to Load the Primary Lever (Left Arm and Shaft).

Note that regardless of Loading action or Swinging or Hitting, the Impact Alignments are identical. The Flying Wedges are aligned at Right Angles, the Left Wrist is Flat and Level, the Right Wrist is Bent and Level, the Right Forearm is On-Plane, etc.

Note also, that because the Primary Lever is "Loaded", it cannot Swing (Throwout) although it will and should be pulled. If you make the mistake of trying to swing the Left Arm, the #3 PP will "Un-Load".

Swinging is Harnessing CF. Hitting is Overpowering CF. It's still there, it's no longer a factor.

Great info post on hitting , gets to the point doesn"t it?

I have been thinking about releases and started to wonder on a couple of things. I can swing, with either hand or both. That is a swinging procedure. BUT I can not hit with either hand by itself. The left must be there to checkrein the thrusting right hand. and complete a primary lever assembly. There are 2 pressure points in operation at the same time- #1 thrusting the primary lever assembly and an ACTIVE #3 which also keeps the secondary assembly "moving right along" There are all manner of options. For any stroke length, the #1 thrust can be increased or decreased- #3 pressure should follow. For any #1 thrust, the stroke length can be adjusted. #3 should follow and be constant. But, there can be an background amount of cf and it can come from a pulling, can be generated from the pivot and is realy #4 accumulator. It is background and care must be taken not to damage the work of either #1 thrust or #3 activity.

Like to hear your thoughts on this Daryl

HB