Accumulator 3 Question

[Daryl]

Zero #3 Accummulator Automatically becomes vertical hinging. Clubface remains in its Fix position throughout the stroke. Manual Clubface Manipulation. It is a feelng of no roll or reverse roll.



I didn't make the rule's!

Yes, you did make up the "Rules".


The "Book" states that with Zero #3 Accumulator:

Doing the above drill with Zero Accumulator #3 (6-B-3-B) will show that then, all Lag Loading and Hinge Action have Angled Hinging Travel AND Rhythm. So – intentional use of Zero Accumulator #3 can be useful while unintentional use can be hazardous.

But answer this question: "Can a golfer perform Vertical Hinging while using a #3 Accumulator Roll?"

[HungryBear]

[quote=Daryl;76972

But answer this question: "Can a golfer perform Vertical Hinging while using a #3 Accumulator Roll?"[/QUOTE]

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I do believe that mechanically, YES it can be done- BUT - why? You can then not do ANY of the imperatives nor strike the ball , if you are able to strike the ball, with a club head velocity greater than 10-25 mph. AND I would question if this is a true "#3 roll" AND I would love to see it performed with vertical hinging that is not dual-vertical.

The hinges are SHOULDER things the hand and wrist actions are mechanically separate. (Although HK suggests that holding hand flat and vertical to the suggested plane is good feel-visual practice for hinging).
You could take an inverted grip, keep a flat left wrist, use a reverse wrist cocking procedure and invent a new hinge and strike the ball but WHY?

#3 accumulator SHOULD be used with RHYTHM not just flipped around the left arm. It is built into the primary lever assembly and should neither distort the wedge nor the coordination of the wedges. (For best results that is said)

Just my opinions.

Note- I have seen both Ted and Yoda demonstrate #3 Transfer Power by this almost vertical rolling the left wrist and club and it is VERY effective for demonstrating but I cringe because it loses the rhythm and on plane characteristics so vital to its application.

The Bear

[Daryl]

Hi Bear,

Why do you think that HK said "Vertical Hinging" is manipulation?

[HungryBear]

Hi Bear,

Why do you think that HK said "Vertical Hinging" is manipulation?

Without having thought through your question. My simple intuition is that - U prolly has to do sumpin "bad" - Joel Chandler Harris said that -in dialect - Local Humor? ---(like I was exaggerating to in my previous comment)- to make it work. like a little extra cocking and bending in the wrists to get things on plane- or Just dont use accumulators #2 or #3? and a "little" pick N' Peck.

I could stir this pot a little-
I think there are easy and hard manipulations- likely BOTH vertical and horizontal hinging has manipulation and angled hinging does not need manipulation if it has coordination. I think vertical hinging and #3 do not fit without manipulation and Horizontal hunging and #2 accumulator do not fit without manipulation. Having said that I better explain- First , when a swing, we rotate so that the primary release of #2 is on plane and then we roll the clubface wertical so it passes "horizontal" to the ground BUT #2 is still uncocking and that is an vertical manipulation to allow the "sweet spot" to stay on the inclined plane. Now for vertical hinging #2 can be made coorinate and #3 must then be manipulated (reverse roll??) . I see it working with the horizontal hinge because everything is down, out or forward where with vertical hinging things are "kind of" down, in or back.

Realizing that this takes some visualization and a Lot of "hand flying" as the aerobatic pilot calls it. So- "hand fly" it yourself. That is what HK suggests!



The Bear

[Daryl]

Vertical Hinging requires a "Reverse" of the #3 Accumulator Roll. This Clockwise rotation is opposite of the Counterclockwise Roll that produce Angled and Horizontal Hinging. In other words, the Right Elbow would move faster than the Hands, which isn't going to happen, so "Action and Motion" must be produced by a "Reverse Swivel Roll" of the Hands. The Hands are Clamps, and therefore any disturbing motion is manipulation. Can we develop a "perfect Vertical Hinge" with a 3 dimensional Impact? Probably not, but we can come very close.

[HungryBear]

Vertical Hinging requires a "Reverse" of the #3 Accumulator Roll. ................... Can we develop a "perfect Vertical Hinge" with a 3 dimensional Impact? Probably not, but we can come very close.

PUTT

The Bear

[Slazman]

Sorry for the semi thread jump, but thought this would be a good spot to ask questions on "Stage One Basic Motion" Would this be a correct sequential description of Basic motion START-UP? Resisting or holding the left shoulder from turning as my right forearm simultaneously fans and pulls my left arm across my chest while applying extensor action and at the same time my right forearm is pointing at the baseline of the plane until I have moved the club approximately two feet. If I am missing something or have misinterpreted this please help me. However the move I have trouble reconciling is when you add the full pivot stroke and one has programmed the above procedure in computer dependability it seems that one would be more inclined to go to much IN and not enough up. I love the feel of the up move on the full swing; however I feel hardly any UP move in my Basic Motion.

[Daryl]

Sorry for the semi thread jump, but thought this would be a good spot to ask questions on "Stage One Basic Motion" Would this be a correct sequential description of Basic motion START-UP? Resisting or holding the left shoulder from turning as my right forearm simultaneously fans and pulls my left arm across my chest while applying extensor action and at the same time my right forearm is pointing at the baseline of the plane until I have moved the club approximately two feet. If I am missing something or have misinterpreted this please help me. However the move I have trouble reconciling is when you add the full pivot stroke and one has programmed the above procedure in computer dependability it seems that one would be more inclined to go to much IN and not enough up. I love the feel of the up move on the full swing; however I feel hardly any UP move in my Basic Motion.

I would agree.