Left Hand 1/4 turn

[spike]

Dear Yoda,

During the backswing does the left hand turn inside the right hand putting the left wrist at a right angle to the right wrist?

spike

[mb6606]

Why not think of it as simply laying the club face on the inclined plane?

[Yoda]

Dear Yoda,

During the backswing does the left hand turn inside the right hand putting the left wrist at a right angle to the right wrist?

spike

The Left Wrist is the Master Wrist. During the Backstroke, the Left Hand Turns palm down to the surface of the Plane. The Clubface goes where the Left Wrist goes, and the Right Hand, if it moves at all, always moves in accordance with the Left.

With a Strong, Single Action Grip (10-2-B) and Standard Wrist Action (10-18-A), the Turn to the Plane is a true rotation of the Hands (from Vertical at Address to Turned On Plane in the Backstroke). This Action is independent of Body Rotation and Arm Swing.

With Single Wrist Action (10-18-C-1/2/3), the Wrist apprears to Turn -- but it is not independently Turned. In fact, Single Wrist Action is not Wrist Action at all. Instead, it is a substitute, a Hinge Action, i.e., the Left Wrist is not deliberately Turned -- twisted -- but instead simply remains perpendicular to one of the Three Basic Planes (Horizontal, Angled or Vertical).

In other words, with Single Wrist Action, there is no true rotation of the Left Wrist. Its Motion is essentially dictated by the Body Turn and Arm Swing, but it is individualized by the Left Wrist into one of the Three Basic Hinge Actions -- Horizontal (10-18-C-#1); Angled (10-18-C-#2; or Vertical (10-18-C-#3). As the Backstroke progresses, the Left Wrist departs from its Hinge Action alignment and gradually Turns to Plane. Otherwise, the Left Wrist could not Cock on Plane, and the result would be a decidely 'Un-Golflike Motion' (which is always improper Execution).

So, no matter which procedure used -- Standard or Single -- the Hands arrive at the Top with identical On Plane alignments. The selected Variation merely defines the manner in which they get there. Precision, as always, is "recognizing and reconciling minute differentiations" (2-0).

[ldeit]

Lynn,

Very nice post.

So Standard Wrist Action there is a conscious turning of the left wrist and clubface to the plane angle at the top.

With Single Wrist Action there is not a conscious turning. It is more like a hinge action with the left wrist perpendicular to its associated plane in the initial stages of the backswing dictated by the Body Turn and Arm Swing. As the backswing approaches Top, the Left Wrist departs from its Hinge Action alignment and gradually Turns to Plane.

My Questions:
Would the left wrist and clubface be laying on the plane angle at Top in Single Wrist Action as it does with Standard Wrist Action?

If not the same, how would 10-18-C-#1,2,3 Left Wrist and clubface alignments look different at the Top from Standard Wrist Action?

I know I've probably asked you this before but I would like to hear the answer again.

Thanks,



Lee

[spike]

The Left Wrist is the Master Wrist. During the Backstroke, the Left Hand Turns palm down to the surface of the Plane. The Clubface goes where the Left Wrist goes, and the Right Hand, if it moves at all, always moves in accordance with the Left.

With a Strong, Single Action Grip (10-2-B) and Standard Wrist Action (10-18-A), the Turn to the Plane is a true rotation of the Hands (from Vertical at Address to Turned On Plane in the Backstroke). This Action is independent of Body Rotation and Arm Swing.

With Single Wrist Action (10-18-C-1/2/3), the Wrist apprears to Turn -- but it is not independently Turned. In fact, Single Wrist Action is not Wrist Action at all. Instead, it is a substitute, a Hinge Action, i.e., the Left Wrist is not deliberately Turned -- twisted -- but instead simply remains perpendicular to one of the Three Basic Planes (Horizontal, Angled or Vertical).

In other words, with Single Wrist Action, there is no true rotation of the Left Wrist. Its Motion is essentially dictated by the Body Turn and Arm Swing, but it is individualized by the Left Wrist into one of the Three Basic Hinge Actions -- Horizontal (10-18-C-#1); Angled (10-18-C-#2; or Vertical (10-18-C-#3). As the Backstroke progresses, the Left Wrist departs from its Hinge Action alignment and gradually Turns to Plane. Otherwise, the Left Wrist could not Cock on Plane, and the result would be a decidely 'Un-Golflike Motion' (which is always improper Execution).

So, no matter which procedure used -- Standard or Single -- the Hands arrive at the Top with identical On Plane alignments. The selected Variation merely defines the manner in which they get there. Precision, as always, is "recognizing and reconciling minute differentiations" (2-0).

Wow!!!

It is so satisfying to be here getting answers that are real!!!

Thank you Lynn!

BTW, is it my eyes or is 10-18-A and 10-18-B (6th Edition) the same picture?

[Yoda]

My Questions:

Would the left wrist and clubface be laying on the plane angle at Top in Single Wrist Action as it does with Standard Wrist Action?

If not the same, how would 10-18-C-#1,2,3 Left Wrist and clubface alignments look different at the Top from Standard Wrist Action?

To of the three Single Wrist Action Variations -- Horizontal (10-18-C-#1) and Angled (10-18-C-#2) -- arrive at the Top On Plane.

In contrast, Single Vertical (10-18-C-#3), arrives at the Top -- typically on the Turning Shoulder Plane (10-6-D) -- with the Hands "under the Club." Here, the Left Wrist simply remains perpendicular (to the Horizontal Plane) throughout the Backstroke. In other words...

"Straight back, Straight through. Keep the clubface square (no turn or roll)."

Thus, for Pivot Strokes, Standard Action, Single/Horizontal Action and Single/Angled Action all arrive On Plane at the Top with the Clubface aligned parallel to the Inclined Plane, i.e., at approximately 50 degrees to the ground. With Single/Vertical Action, the Left Wrist remains perpendicular (90 degrees) to the ground - an Off Plane Loading motion -- and the Clubface is aligned likewise, i.e., 'Toe down'. During the Stroke, the player simply lifts and lowers his Arms as the Body Turn supplies the On Plane motion to the Arms and Hands.

As always, Vertical Hinge Action -- either through the Ball or away from it -- is a deliberate, mechanical manipulation of the Clubface. That is, a Counter-clockwise Motion on the Backstroke and a Clockwise Motion on the Downstroke. As such, it is the natural byproduct of neither Swinging (Horizontal Hinge Action) or Hitting (Angled Hinge Action). Unless deliberately employed for a specific purpose, it is, at bottom...

Steering.

The First Snare (3-F-7-A).

[ldeit]

Lynn,

Thanks for the answer. Very concise and clear, as usual.

Lee

[tongzilla]

To of the three Single Wrist Action Variations -- Horizontal (10-18-C-#1) and Angled (10-18-C-#2) -- arrive at the Top On Plane.

In contrast, Single Vertical (10-18-C-#3), arrives at the Top -- typically on the Turning Shoulder Plane (10-6-D) -- with the Hands "under the Club." Here, the Left Wrist simply remains perpendicular (to the Horizontal Plane) throughout the Backstroke. In other words...

"Straight back, Straight through. Keep the clubface square (no turn or roll)."

Thus, for Pivot Strokes, Standard Action, Single/Horizontal Action and Single/Angled Action all arrive On Plane at the Top with the Clubface aligned parallel to the Inclined Plane, i.e., at approximately 50 degrees to the ground. With Single/Vertical Action, the Left Wrist remains perpendicular (90 degrees) to the ground - an Off Plane Loading motion -- and the Clubface is aligned likewise, i.e., 'Toe down'. During the Stroke, the player simply lifts and lowers his Arms as the Body Turn supplies the On Plane motion to the Arms and Hands.

As always, Vertical Hinge Action -- either through the Ball or away from it -- is a deliberate, mechanical manipulation of the Clubface. That is, a Counter-clockwise Motion on the Backstroke and a Clockwise Motion on the Downstroke. As such, it is the natural byproduct of neither Swinging (Horizontal Hinge Action) or Hitting (Angled Hinge Action). Unless deliberately employed for a specific purpose, it is, at bottom...

Steering.

The First Snare (3-F-7-A).

So...

we have established that both 10-18-C #1 and 10-18-C #2 arrive at the Top On Plane.

The difference between 10-18-A and 10-18-C#1 at the Top is more a matter of how it got there rather than the actual alignments at the Top.

But since the motion of the wrists is different between 10-18-C #1 and 10-18-C #2, and yet they both arrive On Plane, then there must be something different in the rest of the body to make sure it's On Plane.

[Daryl]

So...

we have established that both 10-18-C #1 and 10-18-C #2 arrive at the Top On Plane.

The difference between 10-18-A and 10-18-C#1 at the Top is more a matter of how it got there rather than the actual alignments at the Top.

But since the motion of the wrists is different between 10-18-C #1 and 10-18-C #2, and yet they both arrive On Plane, then there must be something different in the rest of the body to make sure it's On Plane.

The Top Location is reached when the Hands are at Shoulder Height. The End Location is Higher but more important, it is farther around.

Please forgive my boldness. 10-18-C #1 and 10-18-C #2 arrive at Top, On Plane, with a Flat Left Wrist. The Left Hand, Clubface Alignment, and Clubshaft are Identical. The Right Hands are also identical for a Swinger and Hitter and if Both used 10-2-B Grip, then both will Angle Hinge. Please Reference the First Edition. This edition includes referencing Hands To Plane with Left Wrist Action and HK advises accordingly. I’m almost sure that he removed the “advice” comments from later editions because he wanted TGM to reflect a “Properties” of Golf Stroke and not a Dear Abby advice book.

The Left Wrist for Swingers using 10-18-C #1 will be Flat and Cocked. The Right Wrist will be Bent and Level. The Right Wrist for Swingers using 10-18-C #1 will be Bent and Level but the Right Wrist in 10-18-A will be Turned-Turned, Flat and Level. Swingers using 10-18-C #1 will Angle Hinge and Swingers using 10-18-A will Horizontal Hinge. Swingers using 10-18-C #1 should use 10-2-E, V/T/U [which will allow the Left Wrist to Cock on Plane (without Bending) and allow the use of Pitch 10-3-B] if they want to Horizontal Hinge.

10-18-A and 10-18-C #1 at Top are different. The Left Wrist in 10-18-A is Turned-Turned, Cocked and Bent and the Right Wrist is Turned-Turned, Level and Flat. At Top, The Right Palm in 10-18-A (if you open your fingers) is almost facing your head. At End, the Right Hand Alignment of 10-18-A is like 10-18-C #1 is at Top if 10-18-C #1 uses 10-2-E.

If you open your Right Palm at the End of 10-18-A, it will face front. If you open your Right Hand Palm at Top of 10-18-C#1 with 10-2-B it will face front. If you open your Right Palm at Top with 10-18-A with 10-2-B it will almost face your head.

[6bmike]

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