Ben Hogan's Magical Device

[BurleyGolf]

It looks like pulling. I didn't see a single indication of any #1 Thrusting.

The reason I am pretty sure it is not pulling is the fact that Hogan himself talkes about not activating the tendons in the left arm other than in his last three fingers. If you look at most photos of Hogan from a left side impact view he is not even flexing in his left arm. Watch the video below @ 1:33 you will see the club face look to the sky from its past position. This is the right wrist bowing I am talking about. Now to the pulling, if Hogan pulls the club to the inside where his hands disaper that shuts down the face, but he is pushing with the right hand and rotating with the ride side which pushes or pulls the left side clear if the left arm pit stays connected. Apples and Oranges there, but you can see what I mean.

[O.B.Left]

Hey Burley

What if he pulled but not so much with his left arm say but with his body, his left arm being like an inert rope? A stretched out rope running between the left shoulder and the outwardly extending right arm. Then the left arm muscles would be relaxed except for the strong hold in the last three fingers and the engaged tendons attached to them.

[BurleyGolf]

Hey Burley

What if he pulled but not so much with his left arm say but with his body, his left arm being like an inert rope? A stretched out rope running between the left shoulder and the outwardly extending right arm. Then the left arm muscles would be relaxed except for the strong hold in the last three fingers and the engaged tendons attached to them.

It's possible! I just think that he knew OTT came from the left side in his swing and he could apply push/rotation with the strong side and felt comfortable of not missing it left, while having full control of the club face and power. "The left arm is a NERD"!

Watch this video, this is what Hogan felt if you look at his swing it's dofferent but thats feel! It vary's to each person! The part I want you to watch is when he says "most people do it wrong and start the swing with the upper body".

[KOC]

Hi Burley,

What is the difference between yours and Mr. Gary Edwin's on Hogan right-side swing concept?

BTW, what is your opinion why Hogan's right foot slided so much even with iron shots?

Back to this original topic, the magical device book, the writer focus on how Mr. Hogan's power package attached to the rotating torso...it is not something new, even with the word "magical" added. I prefer the "Magic of the right forearm" though.

Hope I have chance to read your book soon.

[BurleyGolf]

Hi Burley,

What is the difference between yours and Mr. Gary Edwin's on Hogan right-side swing concept?

BTW, what is your opinion why Hogan's right foot slided so much even with iron shots?

Back to this original topic, the magical device book, the writer focus on how Mr. Hogan's power package attached to the rotating torso...it is not something new, even with the word "magical" added. I prefer the "Magic of the right forearm" though.

Hope I have chance to read your book soon.

Hello KOC-

To be honest I had never heard of Gary until I just Google him. I watched a few of his video's and liked what I saw, other than that I guess you have to pay to joing his website to learn what his teachings are about right side golf.

What makes Hogan's right foot slide? Well the basic answer would be force but the answer you are looking for in my own words has to be the right knee. I think once the rigth knee starts to fold the spikes are useless as the foot rolls in, but! Hogan knew this and was on a firm left leg. I think he tried to use the inner toe spikes later in the down swing so the foot did not slip, but could not fully because it would hinder the motion of the right hip "Humping The Goat as yall call it". So as he used the last little bit of leverage he had in the right foot or toe to keep from falling back right, the momentom of the everything pulls the foot foward just a little as he then proceed's to post on it for a balanced finish. I hope that helps, if you see something else I would love to hear.

Just to add a quick note for the left side crowd that feel Hogan might have pulled with the left, it is pretty hard on a firm left side to pull with the left. Just for laughts stand on you left leg and lean to the right and try to turn you left hip clear... The right foot, Right Knee, right hand push through - the right hip, right shoulder rotate through! IMO

[12 piece bucket]

Hello KOC-

To be honest I had never heard of Gary until I just Google him. I watched a few of his video's and liked what I saw, other than that I guess you have to pay to joing his website to learn what his teachings are about right side golf.

What makes Hogan's right foot slide? Well the basic answer would be force but the answer you are looking for in my own words has to be the right knee. I think once the rigth knee starts to fold the spikes are useless as the foot rolls in, but! Hogan knew this and was on a firm left leg. I think he tried to use the inner toe spikes later in the down swing so the foot did not slip, but could not fully because it would hinder the motion of the right hip "Humping The Goat as yall call it". So as he used the last little bit of leverage he had in the right foot or toe to keep from falling back right, the momentom of the everything pulls the foot foward just a little as he then proceed's to post on it for a balanced finish. I hope that helps, if you see something else I would love to hear.

Just to add a quick note for the left side crowd that feel Hogan might have pulled with the left, it is pretty hard on a firm left side to pull with the left. Just for laughts stand on you left leg and lean to the right and try to turn you left hip clear... The right foot, Right Knee, right hand push through - the right hip, right shoulder rotate through! IMO

I'd submit that there is one reason why his right foot slides . . . put your cursor on his left hip at addesss . . . watch where his body is when he finishes . . . Hogan's hips went farther forward than anybody that's ever laced 'em up. That foot is getting DRUG forward by the hip motion, thighs and spine . . . Greg Norman rocks it like that too.

[KOC]

In the set of Hogan's photos that were used in the Life Magazine secret issue, Hogan played a shot standing on kind of mattress...From start up through delivery, you can see the left foot sinking more than the right foot...



It can be related to "The Hogan Way" book in which Mr. John Andrisani mentioned about a "story" Mike Austin told him about Hogan pivoting along the left leg and foot like Jay Broune...and of course, it is also presented in other way out of the book "Final missing piece of Hogan secret Puzzle" by VJ Trolio.

Regarding the siding, when I do the stepping drill, it is so easy to perform the right foot silde. If I push with the right side, it won't.

Just my 2 cents.

[BurleyGolf]

In the set of Hogan's photos that were used in the Life Magazine secret issue, Hogan played a shot standing on kind of mattress...From start up through delivery, you can see the left foot sinking more than the right foot...



It can be related to "The Hogan Way" book in which Mr. John Andrisani mentioned about a "story" Mike Austin told him about Hogan pivoting along the left leg and foot like Jay Broune...and of course, it is also presented in other way out of the book "Final missing piece of Hogan secret Puzzle" by VJ Trolio.

Regarding the siding, when I do the stepping drill, it is so easy to perform the right foot silde. If I push with the right side, it won't.

Just my 2 cents.

Someone told me it was felt, kinda like whats under your shingles on a roof, they did not think it would tear up that easy.

I feel the step drill would be a great way to feel the slide, although I still think Hogan's foot slide came mostly from the right knee, right side drive. The right knee actualy drives the foot to its instep and as the right side rotation is being completed it moves the right knee closer to the left closing that gap and makes the right heel post as it supernates.

Also, I talked to a friend of yours that said you meet in Hong Kong and he told me you are a great guy, with all the video you wanta to watch..lol I would agree from what I have read and seen of your stuff.

[KOC]

Burley,

Which friend? Who said that I am a good guy, Ben? Paul? I am a hacker...lol

Anyway, from the book "Hogan by Curt Sampson", there is a quoted statement:-

"You know why I'm so goddamn good? I never move my right knee." -Ben Hogan to his caddy

Yes, I also read the book "Afternoon with Mr. Hogan" saying the secret is the right knee push toward the ball...but when I watch Mike Wright told the story that Hogan asked him to bend on the knee behind a girl helping her game, to hold her right knee during the swing, I have questions in my hacker's mind.

The right knee definitely move...another chicken and egg question....move or being moved?
The right side shall support the backward spin tilt, no doubt just like Bruce Lee kick...

[BurleyGolf]

Burley,

Which friend? Who said that I am a good guy, Ben? Paul? I am a hacker...lol

Anyway, from the book "Hogan by Curt Sampson", there is a quoted statement:-

"You know why I'm so goddamn good? I never move my right knee." -Ben Hogan to his caddy

Yes, I also read the book "Afternoon with Mr. Hogan" saying the secret is the right knee push toward the ball...but when I watch Mike Wright told the story that Hogan asked him to bend on the knee behind a girl helping her game, to hold her right knee during the swing, I have questions in my hacker's mind.

The right knee definitely move...another chicken and egg question....move or being moved?
The right side shall support the backward spin tilt, no doubt just like Bruce Lee kick...

It was Paul...! That Bruce Lee is a good one, great vid!

I have talked to Mike Wright about Hogan, I ran some of my thoughts by him before I finished my book and he liked what I had to say. Mike believes Hogan's biggest Secret was his club spec's and the fact he had so much Flex in his wrist. KOC, you know what I think Hogan's Secret was, if you want to call it that. You have read as much of my stuff as I have of yours and I have stayed pretty consistant to what I believe. The back of the right wrist is my thought and after hearing Mike and talking to him about it, then listing to what he had to say...

Back to the right knee though, there are so many ways to look at it and even in video its really more of an educated guess. I think we would both agree on the right knee kicked in @ address, almost straiting by the top, and then folding in on the down swing. Now, was he a rotary/Pusher? I think so!, but I also know that I could be wrong and if thats true, that would take everything I believe or have learned about his swing an distroy everything I think I know.