Ben Hogan's Magical Device

[KOC]

Burley,

Thanks for the information. I really appreciated that. Although here is a guy who live in the far east, we love the same guy...Mr. Ben Hogan.

[O.B.Left]

I'd submit that there is one reason why his right foot slides . . . put your cursor on his left hip at addesss . . . watch where his body is when he finishes . . . Hogan's hips went farther forward than anybody that's ever laced 'em up. That foot is getting DRUG forward by the hip motion, thighs and spine . . . Greg Norman rocks it like that too.

This was a very big part of Knudsons teaching. For the right foot to slide, the weight must be left early. Also George really believed in the Three Stations, Address, Top and Finish. He would have a person stand in their Finish position and try to figure where it was uncomfortable for them. His reasoning was that it should be very comfortable or else your body wont go there. He then adjusted things, like the turn of the left foot at address for instance. The right foot drag takes a lot of stretch out of lower body for those that are less flexible and makes getting to Finish way easier and more comfortable.

[Yoda]

This was a very big part of Knudsons teaching. For the right foot to slide, the weight must be left early. Also George really believed in the Three Stations, Address, Top and Finish. He would have a person stand in their Finish position and try to figure where it was uncomfortable for them. His reasoning was that it should be very comfortable or else your body wont go there. He then adjusted things, like the turn of the left foot at address for instance. The right foot drag takes a lot of stretch out of lower body for those that are less flexible and makes getting to Finish way easier and more comfortable.

Very interesting, O.B. Canadian George Knudson was one of the finest ball strikers of his generation. I was privileged to watch him play at The Masters and several of the southeastern PGA TOUR stops. Thanks for this insight!

[12 piece bucket]

This was a very big part of Knudsons teaching. For the right foot to slide, the weight must be left early. Also George really believed in the Three Stations, Address, Top and Finish. He would have a person stand in their Finish position and try to figure where it was uncomfortable for them. His reasoning was that it should be very comfortable or else your body wont go there. He then adjusted things, like the turn of the left foot at address for instance. The right foot drag takes a lot of stretch out of lower body for those that are less flexible and makes getting to Finish way easier and more comfortable.

I got his video . . . there's some really nice slow mo footage of him with one of the grid dealies like the Hogan footage to check out. I think I even got his book somewhere. dude had a nice motion.

[O.B.Left]

Ya, that sequence against the grid is interesting, big slide of the hips. He was gone not long after that was shot. The book and the video are kinda different in content but basically he taught pivot and passive hands. I do like his foot drag thing however and use it whenever I have trouble getting left. No doubt something he learned from Hogan. He used to go down to Seminole with Hogan and George Coleman to practice before the Masters in the early 60's. Made a study of all things Hogan even his club specs were similar.

[O.B.Left]

Very interesting, O.B. Canadian George Knudson was one of the finest ball strikers of his generation. I was privileged to watch him play at The Masters and several of the southeastern PGA TOUR stops. Thanks for this insight!

Hah, just three weeks ago you saw me drag my right foot slightly with a driver and exclaimed "KNUDSON !". We never talked about it at the time, but I knew that you knew, that I knew that......

Ill be thinking about you this week Yoda. All the best.

[bantamben1]

i worked alot with mac ogrady and he definately has that right foot slide as do i with the longer clubs to me all it comes from is simple hogan like me or alot of other players has his legs together in the finish theres no space and they are even it makes me think of doyles catch the dogs tail through the ball in the finish. If you look at the short irons hogan doesnt do it long clubs he does as does knudson seems obvious to me its because the longer clubs he as do i and knudson have wide stances to get the legs together requires the right foot to slide towards the left if the stance is to wide. Also in regards to is hogan a swinger i verse burleys definition of a rotary pusher in my mind hogan is homers definition of a swinger there is different ways to start that swinging motion. T me hogan has the simplest and purest way he gets his weight left in the beginning of his swing some call it a bump but to me he just gets his left knee over his left foot wich involves some rotation as his hands go down his angle of approach down out and forward at the same time then his right elbow gets back to his side and he fires through the ball with his core hips shoulders his whoe pivot and the club releases because of cf a true snap release. watch this clip over and over its so sweet and simple

[12 piece bucket]

i worked alot with mac ogrady and he definately has that right foot slide as do i with the longer clubs to me all it comes from is simple hogan like me or alot of other players has his legs together in the finish theres no space and they are even it makes me think of doyles catch the dogs tail through the ball in the finish. If you look at the short irons hogan doesnt do it long clubs he does as does knudson seems obvious to me its because the longer clubs he as do i and knudson have wide stances to get the legs together requires the right foot to slide towards the left if the stance is to wide. Also in regards to is hogan a swinger i verse burleys definition of a rotary pusher in my mind hogan is homers definition of a swinger there is different ways to start that swinging motion. T me hogan has the simplest and purest way he gets his weight left in the beginning of his swing some call it a bump but to me he just gets his left knee over his left foot wich involves some rotation as his hands go down his angle of approach down out and forward at the same time then his right elbow gets back to his side and he fires through the ball with his core hips shoulders his whoe pivot and the club releases because of cf a true snap release. watch this clip over and over its so sweet and simple

BB,

Agree . . . . LOVE that clip . . . Could you comment on the arm motion there. Hogan's arms work with his body. I was making some "baseball" type swings yesterday. It's kinda like that's how your arms HAVE TO work to keep your hands moving on that horizontal plane with out shifting them up and down . . . concentric circles huh?

Holla!

B

[EdZ]

I recently had a chance to read the book (Hogan's Magical Device) and I think Ted Hunt is on to something.

I've not heard mention of the type of release move he describes before, and it doesn't really fit 1-L per se because the move is in the wrist, not the forearm.

All I know is it works, and it works VERY well.

There are two main parts to what he calls the secret. The first is what TGM would call the power package, and rhythm.

The second, he calls the secret within the secret. The left hand release - it is not an uncock/roll - it is the arching of the left wrist by rolling the WRIST, not the forearm.

I would call it more of a 'motorcycle release' - the left wrist arches by rolling it forward, away from you, like you were turning the handle on a motorcycle.

That move let's you use a weak grip, 10-2-A, and cup the left wrist at the top. The release can be done very quickly, so you can hold the angle deep into pitch elbow. The 'roll' is on plane, but it is away from you, triggered by squeezing the last three fingers. He also confirms the use of the left knee to begin the downswing, the so called 'Snead squat' or sit down move.

I tried this out yesterday and compressed the ball very, very well. Quite easy to hit a fade that never goes left.

For the Hogan fans out there, there are some nice stories in the book.

Between this book and VJ's, I can do Hogan's pattern quite nicely now. I've also just gotten a copy of "The Hogan Collection" which is worth the 2nd DVD alone - a series of Hogan swings from multiple angles and times.

[Daryl]

Ola Ed,

Swingers Non-Automatic Simultaneous Release with 10-2-A & 10-18-B and can be used with circle Path Delivery.

I don't consider it equal to TGM Automatic Sequenced Release because neither version uses the #3 Accumulator. But it doesn't take 50 years to learn either. The Automatic version, for use with a Straight Line Delivery Path - Hip Action Triggers the Throw-Out; Uncock and Roll Simultaneously.

In Hogans situation, he released so early that he didn't slam the Shaft into a Primary Lever and Hinge for TGM Throwaway prevention. If he did, then his left arm would have moved away from his chest.